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100% agree. Best to read between the lines. Watching the various JC videos I don’t get the impress he’s really gelled with it. Like his old Miroku etc. I picked on up in store and put it back down. Proud that it’s British but didn’t feel right for me. Spoke with a few of the larger UK dealers who don’t stock longthorne guns as to why the don’t. It wasn’t that they weren’t offered them they just chose not to down to reported issues from customers. Basically saying they wouldn’t sell any. I also think they blooming expensive as well.

To be fair I wouldn’t expect his option to be anything other than ‘it’s a great gun’. Look a gift horse and all that…

As stated new set of chokes, came with my DT11 EELL, new condition and surplus as I no longer have the gun. RRP £220+ asking £150 posted UK or collected/meet in Cheshire. I’ll also be listing some more beretta gear for sale over the coming days including bags, luggage gun slips. All beretta and in great condition.

interestingly I was out shooting this week and met another fellow K80 shooter. His gun being a 2021 hardly used gun, I kid you not there was nothing in it regarding the finish on the barrels, we both agreed that given the choice we’d both pick Paul’s finish over the factory one as it just edges it in terms of depth/finish. I actually walked away a little smug if I’m honest 😉

Hi, not rude at all, he charges £130+ vat including postage, which I think for this level of work is incredible. The amount of effort/time that goes into producing a best London finish and quality of finish is remarkable. Give him a call he’s a really nice chap to speak to. Trade prices are obviously different. the photos really don’t do the barrels justice, there’s as close to factory I think you could get without sending them back to the factory.

Thanks, Photos genuinely don’t do them justice.

Have seen and read a few posts on here about barrel blacking and bluing, thought I’d share my experience with you, especially if you’re on the hunt for a quality tradesman in this field. Just wanted to post a thread for others to read on my recent experience with Paul over at Stevens and Johnson barrel finishers down in Barnstaple. After having a failed job already attempted on the K80 barrels by ‘another’ company I took to the internet/Facebook/forums trying to find the right man for the job of refreshing the barrels on the K80. I had been looking for someone to carry out a best london finish on the barrels, so after exstensive research I reached out to Paul at Stevens and Johnson and had quite a long chat about the barrels and blacking services he provided. I found the conversation absolutely fascinating as he went on to explain the history of his family and their involvement in this industry since the mid 1800’s, they were somewhat pioneers in this field and his knowledge and explanations over the phone showed it, I knew at this point he was the chap for me, he also knew pretty much everyone else in the industry as well, which was also reassuring. The Barrels were securely packaged up and sent over to Paul in Barnstable and in just over a week they were back with me, no fuss whatsoever. I make no allowances I am pretty fussy and very particular about my gear/kit, I come from the old school of if a jobs worth doing it’s worth doing right and well. I’m glad to report that Paul didn’t let me down, The finish Paul’s achieved compared to the first company that had them (no names mentioned) is genuinely night and day, the job is as good as factory you could get, the depth of colour and finish he’s achieved is absolutely outstanding. Marks on the rib and barrel simply gone, mega impressed. Anyway, just wanted to share this and a few images of the finished article, any marks you can see are merely oil/grease etc. Very hard to photograph as they are so blooming well finished! One happy chappy here and nice to find a dedicated hard worker in the industry still providing this top class service. Im not affiliated in anyway to Steven Johnson finishers, just nice to give credit where credit is due. Feel free to ask any questions.

Shotkam also do similar discounts. Father’s Day new year Easter etc

Rarely discount? Shotkam have and run multiple sales and discounts every year?

The real beauty of Shotkam is they sell for alright money second hand 😉

Jesus Christ, mods close this thread, the shotkam debate has run its course, we now have a must have the last clap scenario here 😂. Negative hold gap lead ********. Next thing we’ll all be fitting strange drain pipe attachments to the end of out barrels, oh hang on, that’s already out there ***.

Spot on mate. Everywhere you look there’s a new housing estate being built.

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The new gen4 is out as well. Now with added commentary with configurable levels of encouragement and audio prompts such as “your behind it” “your miles away” “think you chipped that one?” You can also record your own messages such as “sun was in my eyes” “sorry did you call no bird?” “Definitely chipped that” and “can I try that bird again”

It’s on husthwaites latest video don’t you know 🤐

This is what I was trying to put into words mate. Agree with this Sorry missed the bit where the OP said he shoots skeet. My bad 🤷🏻‍♂️ i do however recognise that you’ve pinned your flag to the mast already with your username. Not trying to change your mind or username 😉

All good points but everyone sees lead differently. I try not to focus on lead more on gun speed which has more of an influencing factor on sight picture and perceived lead. Gun speed and hold point. Both can be different and both can result in a hit or miss. Both with a perceived difference in lead.

Absolutely, this is why a camera on the end of your barrels is nigh on useless for 99% of the issues new shooters have. I feel it adds more complication and confusion as I’m a firm believer in learning from what you see with your own eyes at the time, building your own sight pictures. It’s easy to hit the odd bird, but to hit them all consistently takes dedication, practice and a reality check. Let’s also remember shotkam sponsor a lot of coaches and YouTubers.

Most issues when first starting out shooting come from many other things than what a $h1tkam picks up on. Gun mount, feet position, reading the bird, hold point, kill point etc etc… arguably the extra weight on the barrels negates and benefits in fact I could argue it could slow down your swing through or add extra momentum? Shooting with a shotkam on the end of your barrels will feel very different to shooting without them that’s for sure. buy one try it out only way for you to be sure, personally I’d spend my money elsewhere as in this game things can get unnecessarily over complicated very quickly. Keep things simple, keep as many constants in your game as you can and just keep shooting. It will come to you eventually, but it will take practice.

With a user name like Shotkam I’d expect a positive appraisal, also that’s a hell of a lot of recordings to review must of took ages, I’d of had no time for shooting reviewing all that footage 😂 I find it interesting that you mention “I can say without a shadow of a doubt that this device is had the most dramatic effect on improving my shooting than anything I have spent money on” yet in another post you stated that “I've learnt more from Ben Husthwaite's approach to shooting in 8 weeks on how to shoot consistently than after a lifetime of shooting. Before he appeared on the scene I though I knew a fair bit about how to shoot - after - I soon realised I knew very little. There is no quick fix, shortcuts etc. its all about executing the processes that goes into making successful shots, combined with regular practice.” Bit confused here? I agree with the second statement on coaches, maybe not your particularly choice of coach but certainly paid for lessons with at least a CPSA registered one if you’re shooting comps. Also noticed you’ve sold 2 Shotkams this year already? Why change them twice in one year? Just my observations 🧐 Personally, as mentioned previously it’s all about hours behind the gun. We all suffered the same issues when first starting out, this is when most look for short cuts to fix this, this is also where the snake oil is at its most attractive as well. There are no shortcuts, over time and regardless of the various gadgets you can buy you develop an eye for where you’re missing, a feel for the bird in relation to your barrels and shot, this is what it’s all about, it takes years to develop and further years to hone and craft the skill further. Another point is you can’t use a shotkam in a comp so what good is it on some funky bird that you’ve never seen before? My advise is we’ve survived years without these gadgets, stick to the old fashioned methods of practice, graft and hard work, you game will reflect this in the long run and you will become a more competent shooter. What I will add though is they’re quite interesting to use from a coaching point of view to show a novice shooter what they’re doing on certain shots, also the novelty thing for a faff about for Sunday shooters, but for me outside of that and also depending on what the aim of your game is they are nothing more that barrel weights and furniture. There’s a reason why you see so many for sale second hand on a regular basis. You simply Can’t replace hours of practice, please understand that this is all my opinion of course.

Missing targets and wondering why never leaves you, with lots of practice you just come up with better excuses 😉

It’s all down to hours behind the gun practicing, there’s no shortcuts. Better to spend the money on a good coach and some cartridges and practice the targets you struggle with. All depends on what your goals are also, Sunday shooting or CPSA climbing the ranks. Just practice, practice, practice and it will come to you in the end.

Me and the misses out walking last week. Fella approaching with a large black lab off its lead, which comes bounding over towards us barking and growling. Then circled us both, continuously growing and barking. Then back to the owner, then back to us, going mad barking & growling, make no doubt there was aggression there. I first commented by saying, please get your dog under control, which he couldn’t, I then stated that dog should be on a lead, his reply was “it usually is?” My reply “well it fkn isn’t now is it”. All this going on while this lunatic dog is barking growling running around both me and the misses. My last comment was “get your fkn dog under control “ which he still couldn’t “ stating I’m trying” so I instructed my misses to start backing away from the dog and it’s owner to give the dog space as for whatever reason it felt threatened and no doubt had fk all training. My last comment was “your dog should be kept on a lead when out in public as you clearly have no control over it”. He walked off dog still not on its lead. Firstly it’s unusual behaviour for a lab. I’ve been around dogs most of my life, my misses not so much but she was absolutely petrified. The attitude of the owner was that it was more my fault for being out walking. I genuinely wanted to meet up with him again on our return walk back to the car, alas he’d gone. Guy was a total imbecile.

Absolutely, hence zero risk to me and less faff having to drive all over the country. This has gone off topic to be fair, my comments related more to the quality issues with a premium beretta product. Not that I give a **** about what others think but It almost felt like it was my fault it was faulty due to me not handling the shotgun before buying? Ridiculous right 😂. I Purchased through one of berettas premium dealers, who were fantastic about the whole thing quoting it’s not the first time they’ve had issues with Beretta Italy, it sure won’t be the last. All refunded and have thankfully moved on.

I agreed with this, as previously stated, But we’ve totally digressed away from the original point and issue regarding the lack quality control on new guns (from beretta) , which has nothing to do with weight and wood density?, that is unless weight is more important than overall fit, finish and craftsman ship. Personally I’d rather have a gun that worked, didn’t breakdown, didn’t rust, was tight, opened and closed when pushing the top lever, didn’t rattle and shoots were I look, than a gun that has wood that’s the correct density for me? Especially when you only had a choice of 2 guns in the whole country? If there was a rack of 10 guns the same, then yes, shoulder and swing em about until your hearts content. For the record the wood was sublime on all of these premium Berettas, with the grade 5 wood on the EELL’s stunning. Never had issue with the wood, nor claimed there was issue with that element of the gun. The point has clearly been missed.