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Viht 3N38 is very, very similar to Blue dot. I tested a 3”, 35gram Steel #B load that is comfortably within magnum pressures and I’ve dropped it an extra 3 grains because the speed is much more than I need. I’m but sure where you are but I’d expect Viht to be a more accessible powder. Although C&G do have Vectan powders back in as well now. if you get a line on some 3N38 send me a PM and I’ll copy you the data.

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Rifle now has Hawke Fast Mount 3-9x40 AO MilDot mounted and boresighted. Complete package, accurate vermin gun with absolutely everything you would need - £250 with the scope.

What sort of pressure would you be happy with in your greener 3”? Standard magnum pressures?

I'm selling my rimfire due to lack of use. I have owned it from new. It went into storage in 2011 when I was posted to the USA. I returned in 2015 and have fired less than 20 shots through it since then. Before storage it had between 500 and 600 shots as I only bought it and set it all up in early 2010. It is a CZ452 Varmint, 16 inch barrel, 1/2UNF thread. It has a SAK moderator and on purchase I installed one of the original Rimfire Magic Trigger kits which has enormously cleaned the trigger break and reduced the force required. The original springs are still with it in the Rimfire Magic Bag. also included: Ammunition: 100 Rnds Hornady 17gn VMAX, 91 Rnds CCI 20gn Game Points, 37 Rnds Winchester 20gn Game Points. Nylon Coated Dewey .17 Bore Rod, phosphor bronze brush and brass jag as well as a .17 Bore snake and a Possom Hollow CZ452 17HMR Bore Guide. There is an extra CZ 10 round magazine as well as the factory original 5 round and some spare scope mounts that I have still in the packet. There are some cosmetic scratches in the black of the Mod and there is a scratch at the base of the recoil pad visible in the picture. It is great for working from a vehicle and that was how it was used by me back when I did some lamping as a hobby before kids and wildfowling / deer took over my life. I'm looking for £200 for the lot. I'm in North Yorkshire, near Leeming Bar / Boroughbridge. I want to sell it at fairly quick pace to free up for something else so I'm interested in chatting privately about offers. If someone just wants the rifle and Mod or some of the stuff that includes them I would break it up. Rifle and Mod have to go before the rest.

It would be cheaper in your set up costs to get a 410 MEC and a 20 ga Lee load all 2. The Lee is cheaper than the calibre change tool set for the MEc and there’s a reasonable chance that you’ll be able to pick up a used 20ga Lee. i load 410 and 28 on MEC600s and 12ga on a Lee. I completely satisfied with the loads my Lee produces. I’m not looking to load in volume for 12 bore because the savings aren’t there. I’m just loading decent wildfowl cartridges for it. The savings are tight in 20ga so you might be in the same boat of just loading specialist carts with it and using factory lead for clay / high volume shooting. 410 is a totally different story if you want to shoot anything other than lead. Component prices have gone up so much that loading lead is very similar. You can definitely make your investment back on non toxic loading because it costs an arm and a leg for factory bismuth. When factory steel is available from the US it is genuinely obscenely priced so savings are available. None of it matters if you’re only shooting a handful of 410 every now and then though.

Anyone loading / loaded the above withN350 or 3N37 from the Guilandi data with 1.15grams powder and fibre wads? Looking for first hand knowledge and results before I start messing with it. B

The Winchester Xpert steel carts were over £1 a trigger pull when I bought them. My steel loads are 20p each in once fired cases, albeit with components I bought a while ago, but still after the Winchesters!

I held out for a long time looking for a second hand MEC600Jr in 410 on the Facebook groups etc. ended up buying new from Clay and Game. If there’s one calibre that will pay for itself with enough shooting it’s 410. I bought a slab of 250 Winchester steel 2 years ago and it makes me throw up in my mouth to think how much I paid. There are significant savings in lead and steel loading. If you wish to load TSS then components (TPS Wads) are challenging but not impossible.

Completely agree with this. I have become less and less bothered about small steel shot in contact with barrels. I can load 13.5 grams of steel #6 in a once fired Fiocchi .410 3” if I use a clay buster wad. No issues with the barrels so far. I know a lad that uses stump wads for the exact same thing with #7s. Only thing I plan on changing is using zinc plated steel. At the moment I’m using cheap Chinese steel shot from Mandels. so many anecdotal tests out there here and abroad, with all different types of barrels and small steel shot. I’m not advocating BBBs or anything but there is a prevailing fear that you’ll cut furrows in your barrels / forcing cones and it’s just not happening. Im pretty sure that I’ll see some marring eventually but nothing that won’t polish out.

I also like 5s for wood pigeons but my current preference for a cartridge is the Jocker cardboard wad no 4 steel. They pattern so well that even the 27 gram loads are very capable. There was a lad on here or on Facebook recently selling discounted by the thousand. Just Cartridges usually have them as well.

It’s a 70mm 12ga load from Iain Charlton’s old data. I’m sorry. I read 28gram in 12 bore! Eyes readjusted! Nothing for you in 28 I’m afraid. sorry for getting any hopes up!

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I wasn’t doing any sums. I was just punching numbers into KPY. Yours might be with an ISA standard atmosphere.

Sort of: At sea level and at zero degrees; a Steel BB fired at 1500fps MV will arrive at 42 yards going 764 fps and will achieve 2.38” of 20% Ballistic Gelatin penetration. Same BB fired at 1300fos gets 705 yards and gets 2.38” gel penetration. the BB that started out 200fps faster is only 59fps faster at 42 yards. With a 7lb gun and a 32gram payload the faster load comes with 8.3 ft lbs of additional recoil. 37 vs 28.7ftlb.