garyb Posted December 13, 2009 Report Share Posted December 13, 2009 One for the Myth busters... I always seem to hear people telling me that, Varget is more resistant to heat/cold affecting velocity. Does anyone know if this is a proven FACT? I currently use Varget - and have no problem with it, but am considering looking into H322 / H335 as they are.. 1 - Cheaper 2 - Meter better 3 - Less likely to sell out, Varget is getting harder to get hold of. 4 - It's always good to have a couple of "options" in case of point #3 So is this purely shooting myth or is Varget really that good in a range of ambient temps? GB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca Posted December 14, 2009 Report Share Posted December 14, 2009 Hi, I believe varget may be made in Australia by ADI and rebadged for the US market (many ADI products are) I believe varget is infact AR2208 an extremely good stable powder. Cheers macca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rem223 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 I don't think it is a myth, all of the Hodgdon extreme range are less prone to pressure variations with temperature. However they are not immune to the effect. I currently use Varget and H380. The loads I worked up last winter with Varget at around 0C daytime temperature were still fine in 30C summer temps. The H380 loads were not. I had some cratered primers and sticky bolts with the H380, but no problem with Varget. I think as Fister says if you are sensible and not running OTT loads you shouldn't have a problem especially in the UK where temps are much more moderate. I would certainly keep your options open regarding different powders. Varget here in Canada has been like rocking horse excrement of late, though as Macca points out it is made in Australia, but since it's most likely packaged in the US I predict supplies will be hit and miss so it's worth having an alternative. I did try H322 in my .223 and .17 but didn't really get very good results with it. I would take a look at Benchmark. It is an extruded powder like Varget but with smaller grains and it burns quite cleanly compared to H322. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamie g Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 what you using it in 223 ? benchmark would be a good one for that to. our gunshop up here isnt much good. but on the shelf he has benchmark,varget,h380,h4895 so thats one good thing i guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Hi, Benchmark is infact benchmark 2 again made in Australia, brilliant accurate powder for 223. Check the ADI site for load data. Cheers macca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangerzone Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 If it's for a 223.............then H335 is THE powder to use!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 ...apart from N133 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 Probably the most versatile powder in the ADI range is AR2206H which I think is H4895 and AA2460. I use it in my 223, 6BR dasher and my 7/08. I use BM2 in my 17MKIV, 25/20 and 300 whisper. Out here full bor shootrs are rstricted to AR2206H for both the 223 and 308. Its extremely versatile as is BM2. Compared to imported brands it is chaper and far more available. Cheers macca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Logic Posted December 17, 2009 Report Share Posted December 17, 2009 It's definitely not AA2460, that's a ball powder! 223 can use pretty much any powder and be OK. I have had good results with N130, but relatively high pressures. Did work up to max load and I get 3500 fps with a 50gr BK, but I also get cases with slack primer pockets after one load... Interestingly apart from that no other pressure signs in my Remington, and the accuracy was phenomenal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macca Posted December 18, 2009 Report Share Posted December 18, 2009 Hi Guys, thought Id add this to the thread. If you use any of these hogdon powders then you can use the load data on the ADI site as a start for your loads. Cheers macca ADI AR2206H = H4895 AR2208 = Varget AR2209 = H4350 AR2213SC = H4831 AR2217 =H1000 AR2219 =H322 AR2225 =Retumbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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