bothbarrels Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I'm just about to joing my local gunclub, and intend to get a 22 firearms, I've also started making contact with landowners to gain shooting rights for bothe pigeon/foxes/rabbits. am I right in thinking, if a landowner gives me permission to shoot with the 22. I have to check with the authorities to see if the land has been surveyed and is safe, and therefore all that's needed is written permission from the landowner, and if it hasn't been surveyed, then I need to get this done by the local firearms division of the police, if so is there a cost for the service?. Finally can anyone reccoment the best rifle to get for foxes. thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 (edited) There are 2 routes to getting your FAC: For use as a member of a target club (you will usually need to be a member for six months before the club will support your application) For use on vermin in which case as you say you need land suitable for whatever calibre you wish to apply for. There is no charge for this to be surveyed, if it hasn't been already but it can take a while if the land is covered by a different FEO to the one who covers your home address. A .22LR is the ultimate bunny basher but for Fox you would need to speak to your local FLO (Firearms Licensing Office) as to what they consider the minimum calibre for fox. The Home Office guidance notes that they are supposed to work to say small centrfire (.22Swift/Hornet, .222, .22-250 etc) but some will pass HMR/WMR or even LR (sometimes classing it for "opportunistic fox only"). If you can get HMR or WMR for fox then that's probably your best move as they are cheaper to run than centrefires, unless you load your own rounds. Edited February 8, 2010 by Colster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez325 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I'm just about to joing my local gunclub, and intend to get a 22 firearms, I've also started making contact with landowners to gain shooting rights for bothe pigeon/foxes/rabbits. am I right in thinking, if a landowner gives me permission to shoot with the 22. I have to check with the authorities to see if the land has been surveyed and is safe, and therefore all that's needed is written permission from the landowner, and if it hasn't been surveyed, then I need to get this done by the local firearms division of the police, if so is there a cost for the service?. Finally can anyone reccoment the best rifle to get for foxes. thanks guys :o Yes any 22 CENTRE FIRE Rifle will be fine in my opinion :o eg 222 - 223 .22.250 or 243 to name a few ( yes I know there are lots more ) Les Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bothbarrels Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 There are 2 routes to getting your FAC: For use as a member of a target club (you will usually need to be a member for six months before the club will support your application) For use on vermin in which case as you say you need land suitable for whatever calibre you wish to apply for. There is no charge for this to be surveyed, if it hasn't been already but it can take a while if the land is covered by a different FEO to the one who covers your home address. A .22LR is the ultimate bunny basher but for Fox you would need to speak to your local FLO (Firearms Licensing Office) as to what they consider the minimum calibre for fox. The Home Office guidance notes that they are supposed to work to say small centrfire (.22Swift/Hornet, .222, .22-250 etc) but some will pass HMR/WMR or even LR (sometimes classing it for "opportunistic fox only"). If you can get HMR or WMR for fox then that's probably your best move as they are cheaper to run than centrefires, unless you load your own rounds. thanks for that. can you explain the meaning of.. HMR/WMR or even LR ? sorry for my ignorance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 LR is long rifle. That's what most people are referring to if they talk about a .22 rimmy. You can get either subsonic or high velocity ammunition for it but it works best with subs. About 100ft-lbs of energy/100 yards range on bunnies. WMR is Winchester Magnum Rimfire. It uses a bigger case qand offers more power but costs more to run and you can't as far as I know get subsonic ammo for it (unless a bullet is subsonic it will make a lot of noise when fired, moderated or not). About 300ft-lbs of energy/150 yards on bunnies. HMR is a Hornady Magnum Rimfire. It's a .22WMR case neced down to hold a .17 calibre bullet. About 250ft-lbs energy and the same sort of range as the WMR. Then you have centrefires. .22 Hornet (700ft-lbs), .222/.223 (1200ft-lbs), .22-250/.220 swift (1600ft-lbs). Hornet will be good for bunnies out to 250 yards, the .22-250 up to 500 or more when you know how to use it. .22lr will kill a Fox if you're close. It's very quiet and great for bunnies out to 100 yards max. Foxes in my opinion shouldn't be taken past 50 yards with a rimfire. With the centrefires they will kill a Fox at whatever range you can be sure of a hit. I've seen a .223 bullet go right through a fox front to back! By the sound of things a rimfire and small centrefire would work well for you. I suggest a .22lr and a .223 if the police will allow the latter. There's no harm in asking, they're actually quite helpful people most of the time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lez325 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 :o I couldnt have put that better myself Les :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bothbarrels Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 wow you is a knowledgable chappy! thanks for that that's very very helpful. Cheers mate. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 No problem. When I started up I thought LR and WMR was the same thing! It's a nightmare to decide what you want unless you have the facts. Some people would say do a search on Google but if you don't know what you're searching for it's not so easy! Another major thing to note is when you fill in your FAC forms make sure that whatever rifles you ask for, you ask for a moderator to fit it too. Believe it or not that little metal tube with some springs and washers in it needs a seperate slot on your FAC and it'll cost you £26 if you ask for one later! Reason for a moderator is health and safety and it never gets questioned. On a .22lr it's daft not to have one as it will reduce the noise of the shot from like a ruler being slapped hard on a table to the noise of a tennis ball being dropped on the floor! On my 6.5x55 it reduces the noise from something that in a confined space is enough to stun and disorientate you into the sound of a ruler being slapped on a table! If you have any questions at any point just drop me a PM. I had loads of advice from guys on here when I started up and it really helped! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bothbarrels Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 No problem. When I started up I thought LR and WMR was the same thing! It's a nightmare to decide what you want unless you have the facts. Some people would say do a search on Google but if you don't know what you're searching for it's not so easy! Another major thing to note is when you fill in your FAC forms make sure that whatever rifles you ask for, you ask for a moderator to fit it too. Believe it or not that little metal tube with some springs and washers in it needs a seperate slot on your FAC and it'll cost you £26 if you ask for one later! Reason for a moderator is health and safety and it never gets questioned. On a .22lr it's daft not to have one as it will reduce the noise of the shot from like a ruler being slapped hard on a table to the noise of a tennis ball being dropped on the floor! On my 6.5x55 it reduces the noise from something that in a confined space is enough to stun and disorientate you into the sound of a ruler being slapped on a table! If you have any questions at any point just drop me a PM. I had loads of advice from guys on here when I started up and it really helped! Thanks again, if i may I'll add you to my friend list, xo I can get back to you, I'm sure theres so much more to learn and I;m hungry for knowledge!!! Cheers, Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Friends list? Ooh, is that like Facebook? I don't have many friends as I spend all my time on here, so if you're going to get the numbers up you carry on chap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg1 Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Believe it or not that little metal tube with some springs and washers in it needs a seperate slot on your FAC and it'll cost you £26 if you ask for one later! I made that mistake....... never again though!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bothbarrels Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Friends list? Ooh, is that like Facebook? I don't have many friends as I spend all my time on here, so if you're going to get the numbers up you carry on chap! Added... now your my FRIEND!!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bothbarrels Posted February 10, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Friends list? Ooh, is that like Facebook? I don't have many friends as I spend all my time on here, so if you're going to get the numbers up you carry on chap! Another question! do FAC air riflles come under the same rules and regulations as LR's and WMR's etc, as in getting the land certified as ok to shoot,, or is it a different set of rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 same rules - land must still be cleared Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchieboy Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Another question! do FAC air riflles come under the same rules and regulations as LR's and WMR's etc, as in getting the land certified as ok to shoot,, or is it a different set of rules? Just to help clarify this point: Any land you want to use a FAC rifle on (Unless you have an Open FAC) has to be cleared by the FEO not only for FAC use but also as suitable for the caliber(s) of rifle(s) you wish to use on that land. i.e. You could not legally use a .243 on land that has only been cleared for a .22LR! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg1 Posted February 10, 2010 Report Share Posted February 10, 2010 Also on the same note, (on a closed ticket)if you have been cleared for say .223 for Fox, then the land would be safe for .22LR,FAC air etc , BUT you can't use on 'said fox' unless it specifies on your ticket. You can only use certain rifles for permissable Quarry/vermin etc. (I think I got that right ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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