cjb1 Posted February 20, 2010 Report Share Posted February 20, 2010 (edited) Folks, I am considering getting a Daystate Air Wolf MVT FAC'd to 30FP but am seeking some advice first. My mate had a MK4 iS-ST at normal 12 ft lbs and the accuracy was incredible, the Air Wolf uses the same MCT/MVT technology to regulate the shots etc, but wondered how much (if any) accuracy will be lost being 'bumped'? Any of you have a Daystate FAC that could shed any light on this please, as i'm wanting to try and keep the pinpoint accuracy while also maintaining consistancy (with a little extra power ) Cheers, C Edited February 20, 2010 by cjb1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjb1 Posted February 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 Hi guys, anyone any ideas on the above please? any help/advise much appreciated. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 personally i`d go for old fashioned technology.my mate shoots a fac daystate x2 and it has more than enough accuracy. overkill in my eyes.i would expect the non electronic version to be more than capable. save the money and buy a better scope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 21, 2010 Report Share Posted February 21, 2010 (edited) Accuracy with any FAC air rifles depends on the technology and the pellet! You will find pellets expensive and heavy for use as you move a bit higher than 30 ft lt. Up to 30 ft lb the Bisley Mgnum and AA Field can cope, and if I'm honest I see little point or advantage of going any much above 30ft lb with an air rifle, after that, simply get a .22lr. You need a FAC for both and the .22lr is cheaper, much more repeatable, a vast array of ammo from caps to shorts to longs to lr to Hv to shotshells ..all from one rifle... Anyway...I had a Daystate Huntsman until about 10 years back running at about 30ft lb, did the job and was fine, but then the multishot started appearing and it went in favour of a Falcon. Not the same build quality but did the job and still does when required, it runs around 26ft lb and loves the AA Field!! Edited February 21, 2010 by Dekers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjb1 Posted February 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Accuracy with any FAC air rifles depends on the technology and the pellet! You will find pellets expensive and heavy for use as you move a bit higher than 30 ft lt. Up to 30 ft lb the Bisley Mgnum and AA Field can cope, and if I'm honest I see little point or advantage of going any much above 30ft lb with an air rifle, after that, simply get a .22lr. You need a FAC for both and the .22lr is cheaper, much more repeatable, a vast array of ammo from caps to shorts to longs to lr to Hv to shotshells ..all from one rifle... Anyway...I had a Daystate Huntsman until about 10 years back running at about 30ft lb, did the job and was fine, but then the multishot started appearing and it went in favour of a Falcon. Not the same build quality but did the job and still does when required, it runs around 26ft lb and loves the AA Field!! Thanks for the info, very usefull! I should have mentioned that i currently use a Falcon Prairie B FAC that pushes out just under 40ft lb, although it very rarely lets me down when hunting (normally me i'm sure), i find when practicing on targets the shots are inconsistant (i use Bisley Magnums). The Falcon is a superb rifle, i think i have caught an air rifle collection 'bug' though. After having used a daysate and being thoroughly impressed, i would now like to add one to the collection I'm sure i'll be after more advice in the near future, any other peeps out there with Daystate FAC experience please let me know! Thanks again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirFox Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I know a chap who had an MK4 at 30ftlb. It took him ages to come to a scope/pellet combo he liked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Downie Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 (edited) I think the conventional wisdom says that it's counter-productive to go above 35-ish ft/lb - uses too much air and can distort the pellets. As long as you stay below that the pellet and barrel should produce exactly tha same consistency, BUT... the only FAC airgun I've used suffered from MASSIVE muzzle flip compared to the non-FAC model, and that makes it much more difficult to be consistent especially if you're alternating between bipod/not. To be honest I don't see the need. Most folk with FAC don't shoot further than 50-55yds, and that's only 5-10 yds more than sub-12ft/lb is normally capable of. I'd rather have the quietness of a moderated sub-12 and NONE of the hassles of FAC use (certification, surrender of the gun if you lose your permission etc), even if it means I have to sneak a wee bit closer. Edited February 22, 2010 by Al Downie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tweedledee Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 To be honest I don't see the need. Most folk with FAC don't shoot further than 50-55yds, and that's only 5-10 yds more than sub-12ft/lb is normally capable of. I'd rather have the quietness of a moderated sub-12 and NONE of the hassles of FAC use (certification, surrender of the gun if you lose your permission etc), even if it means I have to sneak a wee bit closer. i don`t think so mate. fac air will reach well into rimfire territory if the conditions are right.i always laugh when people say iy gives 5-10yds more. the sub 12 does n`t land with the thump the fac does.think you should take both and compare them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terrier Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 If I had to spend so much money it would be this: http://www.theoben.co.uk/product.php?produ...t=11&page=1 .25 for example, and a litlle bit more reliable trigger-wise too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Downie Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 i don`t think so mate. fac air will reach well into rimfire territory if the conditions are right.i always laugh when people say iy gives 5-10yds more. the sub 12 does n`t land with the thump the fac does.think you should take both and compare them I wasn't talking about the 'capability' of an FAC air rifle, only making an observation about the range that most folk seem to shoot with them. I've been out with both and I know the FAC packs a MUCH greater punch, but I still prefer the sub-12 because: 1) it's very much quieter 2) it has no muzzle flip 3) it has a much greater shot count 4) there's no certificate required 5) there's no ground clearance required 6) there's no requirement to sell/surrender your rifle if you lose your permission or ground clearance 7) sub-12 rifles are MUCH easier to sell 8) I can use the same gun for everything - HFT, rabbits, squirrels, rats, woodies in trees, ferals inside the barn, even plinking in the garden if i was really desperate. 9) Heaven forbid the gun gets stolen from (or along with) my car, I won't face possible prosecution. All things considered, the hassle of FAC ownership isn't worth it for an extra 10yds range. In my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I wasn't talking about the 'capability' of an FAC air rifle, only making an observation about the range that most folk seem to shoot with them. I've been out with both and I know the FAC packs a MUCH greater punch, but I still prefer the sub-12 because: 1) it's very much quieter 2) it has no muzzle flip 3) it has a much greater shot count 4) there's no certificate required 5) there's no ground clearance required 6) there's no requirement to sell/surrender your rifle if you lose your permission or ground clearance 7) sub-12 rifles are MUCH easier to sell 8) I can use the same gun for everything - HFT, rabbits, squirrels, rats, woodies in trees, ferals inside the barn, even plinking in the garden if i was really desperate. 9) Heaven forbid the gun gets stolen from (or along with) my car, I won't face possible prosecution. All things considered, the hassle of FAC ownership isn't worth it for an extra 10yds range. In my opinion. It's like all things in life..it's what you want to do with it, can afford to spend, have the opportunity to do!! I run 2 air rifles, 1 FAC, 3 rimfires, 3 centrefires, and however many shotguns happen to be in the cabinet at any time...and why...because I have a use and need for them all!!! ATB!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Downie Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 3 rimfires, 3 centrefires Blimey! Have you thought about a Sako Quad? Lovely looking thing.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Blimey! Have you thought about a Sako Quad? Lovely looking thing.. Complete waste of space, "if" you want to take out your gun and give one to your lad and/or a pal (like I often do)...just doesn't stack up!! In addition, how useful is it to have 2 or more calibres ready to shoot...who wants to carry a spare barrel Remember the light and heavy barrels don't sit in the same stock, there are scope issues as well and it isn't cheap!! Nothing wrong with a Quad as such, but look at it as a gun, not 4 barrel options!! and...I still don't rate it anywhere near the gun the Finnfire was!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Downie Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Remember the light and heavy barrels don't sit in the same stock, there are scope issues as well and it isn't cheap!! Oh! Shows how much I know - sorry mate. I assumed that all four barrels were completely interchangeable with a single stock/action, and you could choose to shoot 17 or 22, light or heavy, depending on the mood you were in when you woke up! Still a lovely looking thing though! Cheers, Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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