fieldwanderer Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Well, it seems I was wrong! I thought I was doing well with daisy but she's back to her old ways. She'd come reliably, retrive reliably (fairly with multiples) sit and wait and was just getting the hang of stop and drop. Being a miserable, boring day, I took her for a long walk between showers. Daisy was off the lead, she tends to be really good off the lead but hard work on it, so off we go with me recalling her etc occasionally but all of a sudden she started completly ignoring me, went off for a nice run through the woods and a swim and just generally misbehaved. I'm so disapointed, more in myself than anything but I'm even wondering if I bit off more than I could chew in getting an older pup (10mnths, now a year). She's fine where I train her normally but nowhere else, is this the problem? And what can I do about it? Anyone live near me wanna give me a hand? Sadly, I can't afford classes but I could really do with a hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 thats dogs for you nothing you can do but keep your cool and step back and try again, if its a long term problem a training collar will sort it just depends what your views on them are. My GWP is prone to doing similar at times, spot on then just decides to ignore getting on them quick enough can be difficult without a collar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 where about's in lincoln are you? i'm no expert but my 2 dog's are coming on very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 You've answered your own question, train in a few different areas and increase the number and type of distraction as your dog progresses. It's also v.helpful to train with someone else, for one thing two heads can be better than one, it can help you to keep cool and using the dogs "against" each other helps steadiness and is more realistic compared to a working environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abiteachuck Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 totally agree with the above comments all my dogs have gone through that sort of thing, i know its not easy but forget it, may be you are going a bit to fast for the dog. you must find new training ground. good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted March 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 All fair points, when she's working with me, we'll be alone so no real problems there. I suppose Im just a bit demorolised really. I've no issues with losing my cool, I just feel I don't know enough to break some of daisy's bad habbits. Pegleg; I'm in hartsholme but I might be heading your way soon (might've got a job in worksop). Next question, do I take her for her usual training session this evening or give her a break and if I take her, do I go somewhere new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako751sg Posted March 30, 2010 Report Share Posted March 30, 2010 Whats needed is patience,a bit of time and finally a short sharp shock from the collar.Try and keep her close at all times,and rarely let her go out of a working distance.If she is obedient to the whistle,there is no excuse if she runs off and ignores it.How i nipped Rab from doing it was by blowing the stop whistle and if he carried on i would give him a zap.Most dogs are very switched on and soon realise what the shock is for,and they learn to put the brakes on sharpish,but dont over do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Ive been looking at shock collars for my cocker as he can be a little head strong at times! There seems to be a massive price range from £30 to £150. Does anyone have any recomendations and do you get what you pay for or will a cheaper one do the same job? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted March 31, 2010 Report Share Posted March 31, 2010 Ive been looking at shock collars for my cocker as he can be a little head strong at times! There seems to be a massive price range from £30 to £150. Does anyone have any recomendations and do you get what you pay for or will a cheaper one do the same job? Thanks DO NOT buy the £30 ones,i've bought one i'll gladly send you.it's that **** i'd safley strap it to my go-nads.after that i bought a sportdog 800 from the U.S for about £120 all in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortune82 Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Thanks! Thought that would be the case! Might just save a bt of cash and get a lond extension lead and a 240v generator!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bail Posted April 1, 2010 Report Share Posted April 1, 2010 Its the name mate. My russell called daisy. Can behave herself but when she wants to can be a right little ****. Wont listen to a word i say. Makes you want to pull your hair out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted April 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Looking at getting a zappy thing, found one that looks and sounds good but a quick question; do they work quick? I.e. If she'll be much better after a few weeks, would someone lend me one, if I paid a deposit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegleg31 Posted April 2, 2010 Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Looking at getting a zappy thing, foundone that looks and sounds good but a quick question; do they work quick? I.e. If she'll be much better after a few weeks, would someone lend me one, if I paid a deposit? give me a PM when your working in worksop and i'll meet up with you.i'll bring along my E-collar,but before that's used let's see if we can put her straight first also there's a bit of a gundog training club at blyth which is not far from worksop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted April 2, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2010 Pegleg, that's very good of you mate, I've no idea when I'll be working over your way next; I work for them occasionally through an agency but there's talk of me getting a full time job there. It's no problem to pop over there some time though, I'll pm you soon to sort something out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklab Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 when she runs away ignoring you do you follow her? Don't turn around & walk in the opp direction, by following & calling her you are telling her to keep going & that you are right behind her, she is becoming the pack leader. play hide & seek with her, she will soon learn to keep an eye on you. when she comes back to you praise her lots & let her run again, never chastise her when she has come back, hope this makes sense. good luck Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted April 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 That's pretty much what ive been doing except I either stay put and have a quiet fag or turn and wander off, which works but shes that head strong I think it'll take more than any of that for her to learn, I've hidden before and literally jumped on her as she ran past completely in her own world - that woke her up 11 stone of very frustrated owner appearing out of nowhere ******* and blinding lol, just a shame I don't get the chance to do that more often (she was running round in circles as opposed to actually coming back). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKPoacher Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 when she runs away ignoring you do you follow her? Don't turn around & walk in the opp direction, by following & calling her you are telling her to keep going & that you are right behind her, she is becoming the pack leader. play hide & seek with her, she will soon learn to keep an eye on you. when she comes back to you praise her lots & let her run again, never chastise her when she has come back, hope this makes sense. good luck Lee I'd agree with that. And change direction unexpectedly rather than follow the same old route. Before using an e-collar have you tried other methods? I have had many successes using short lengths of light chain thrown near to the dog immediately after it has ignored a recall command. The chain jingles on landing, breaking the dog's concentration and a second command then is usually all that is required to recall the dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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