4bore From Hell- need info----

[hubel458]

I'm a visitor here from Michigan, USA. I'm on of the guys that

tested and experimented with the 12GA From Hell.

This work has lead me and others into 8bore and 4bore work.

I know some UK hunters use 4bores with shot.

 

And I have a question. I got some red colored all plastic 4bore

cases and need to know more about them and who makes them.

They are 4" long, all plastic including base and rim, with no

steel rim insert like Activ brand cases have.

 

They are 1.040" at base ahead of the rim, and seem to hold a

slug of about .935" to .950". With a .950" slug the mouth od

is about 1.010"

 

They are not the full 1 inch 4bore case, for my falling block,

that we made m20mm brass or the identical turned 4 bore brass case

that Ken Owen's doubles hold.Ours are 4" long.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated as well as load info. Ed Hubel

[Cranfield]

Welcome and I hope someone here can help you.

[fenntay]

the all plastic red cases aremade by fiochhi , try looking on ebay they some times come up also alan myers stilll makes 4 bores

and loads 4 bore cartridges

[hubel458]

Fiochhi- that is interesting, I found these on Gunbroker and

the guy didn't know anything about them. And no markings on them.

 

At first I thought someone had left off the basecup.But the

primer pocket is correct size.

 

Maybe Myers will post here. Curious to know how heavy they

are loaded.Ed

[seeker]

Might be worth contacting Ian Charlton at C&G .. he used to carry large wads etc ... last 4B cases I saw were brass, possibly for Black Powder?

http://www.claygame.co.uk/

Also John Forsey Gunshop at Welling near Dartford .. sorry do not have contact info .. Heavy waterfowl kit is his hobby.

[ballcatch]

allan myers sells the plastic cases so will know all about them,he will also help with the loads, eric greenwood of crag vale.hebden bridge. would be able to help but you will need a phone number as he is not on line.

[stirky]

Are the cases crimped or standard over shot card/silicon ?

 

Alan was making some crimped 4 bore cases a while back, dont think they took off though, ?

 

Try ringing alan myers on 01995 604251. You will need the international diling code.

 

Hope this helps a bit.

[hubel458]

Thanks all for info- I'll call Mr Myers. If I use these cases it would

be roll crimped for card over buckshot or maybe crimped on the slugs.

I have and/or can get all the wads and cards from

Circle Fly here in US.

 

These would go in my 1" bore chamber which is

little bigger at the base; with 3 wraps of wide electricians tape on

the base above the rim. My falling block will take any pressure the

brass cases can hold. I know the plastic can't keep up with

the brass, but maybe ideal for buckshot.What I use for buckshot

is 9, 12, or 15 45 cal lead balls. Be great for deer and hogs.Ed

[hubel458]

Thanks for all the info, and derbyduck gave me a light shot load and

indicated that is the best use, They deform and stretch.

I will only test these as a 9 45cal buckshot load, which weighs

under 3 ounces. These shot are 140 gr or about 9 grams each.

And with our slow powder loads I'll slowdown some

of the deforming, giving a little more use per case.

 

My 4bore has a heavy smooth barrel, so I experiment

with loads for smooth bore like hollow base slugs. Picture

from the business end.Ed

 

[Salopian]

Hubel,

It would help us to help you if you could tell us exactly what you are trying to do?

Alan Meyers will be possibly be your best bet as he stocks most of the components for 4 Bore.

Ian Charlton is a font of knowledge and may give you some U.S. contacts.

 

 

 

'A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing'

[hubel458]

I'm searching for the limits of what these plastic cases can be used for,and

info gathered so far shows me that I will use it for shot, mainly light loads of

buckshot at moderate pressures. I have all the wads and cards and shot.

Circle Fly carries those items here in the states.Ed

Edited September 4, 2010 by hubel458

[hubel458]

WE shot the plastic case with big buckshot, IE, 45cal lead balls at 140 gr

each. One load 7 shot 980gr at 1800 fps.. Other load 9 shot 1260 gr,

1600 fps. Some case expansion, these are about maximum loads at peak

pressure of about 12-13,000 psi, without case expansion ruining case.

WE use slower than shotgun powders which is easier on the cases,

but yet we use more for longer taller pressure curve, gaining some

velocity. Interesting case,, It is a shame they don't

have a metal base cup like the 8ga Kiln cases made here in US.

Then they could handle 20,000 psi.Ed