al4x Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 i totally see you point of view all i am pointing out is that we are taxed to the hilt. i do agree that if you chance your arm and lose out it should be expected. exactly the simple fact is when you buy from outside the EU its always a chance you take much the same as someone from the USA can come here and buy goods without VAT they can be charged by customs on the way home. Mailorder just ups the anti a little bit, its always been hit and miss but with the new system in place its more hit than miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprackles Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 well thats definitely upset a few of you, you must be the most honest load of people ive ever came across never brought anything of the back of a lorry,cheap fags booze whatever fair play to all of you,As for fraud how do you work that out when you check out from cablas your ask if you want to add anything to the package which i did I was only telling the truth,I have been buying goods overseas for many years and only the last two times i have had to pay and was to inform people the way things have gone, If the item was on the market here i would have brought here full stop,As for trying to avoid tax i don't think so being a tax payer here and overseas for many years i pay my share believe me,The post was to advise people that's the way it is now so beware when buying overseas, I paid top doller for the postage and in my opinion that should have been it but no the government still want there cut, And as for the person or persons that told me i should spend my money in this country i suggest you really should mind your own business its my money and i will spend it where and when i like, So fellows pick holes in this as far as iam concerned this matter is closed atb kenny There is no such thing as a truly honest person. We may think we all live our lives true to the statute book but despite all the protests I am sure this will attract, we have all done something, even if its only one thing that we could have been prosecuted for, even if its just something as simple as speeding, littering or being caught short and having a pee in a public place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artschool Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 exactly the simple fact is when you buy from outside the EU its always a chance you take much the same as someone from the USA can come here and buy goods without VAT they can be charged by customs on the way home. Mailorder just ups the anti a little bit, its always been hit and miss but with the new system in place its more hit than miss. doesnt change the fact that its a protectionist rip off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 (edited) There is no such thing as a truly honest person. We may think we all live our lives true to the statute book but despite all the protests I am sure this will attract, we have all done something, even if its only one thing that we could have been prosecuted for, even if its just something as simple as speeding, littering or being caught short and having a pee in a public place. I think you missundarstand here Sprackles and whilst your post is not in response to mine I feel I need to respond to yours. I agree, there isn't a person on this planet (other than babies) who can truly be said to be innocent but there is a massive difference between being absent minded and intentionally doing something wrong... littering, speeding et al are all examples of absent minded wrong doing with no pre-meditation.. However, there is a word used in law to identify acts that were pre-meditated and that word is 'intent.' and I'm sorry, deliberately requesting that something is marked as a gift with the intention of that item avoiding import duty is pre-meditated and shows intent. Buying items that have, in the words of the OP 'fallen off the back of a lorry' shows intent as does buying smuggled 'cheap' booze and fags. They are not acts of petty absent mindedness they are a clear engagement in criminal activity and, I would like to point out, would be seen very much that way by the Police and the Courts. Unless serious, motoring offences, litteing and peeing in a public place are all subject to civil law and it's respective punishments. Tax evasion, fraud, receiving stolen goods, aiding and abbetting smuggling are all criminal activities and are all potentially punishable by a custodial sentence! Edited January 6, 2011 by Vipa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 doesnt change the fact that its a protectionist rip off protectionist of what? our manufacturers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schern Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Out of interest is there a way that you can pay VAT in advance when ordering from the States so you don't get slapped with the admin fee when it arrives in the UK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyshooter Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Just to put a slightly different spin on this.... ......If i got taxed for thinking about ladies in denim mini skirts i would be in trouble That's the next one mate, after the window tax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted January 6, 2011 Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Out of interest is there a way that you can pay VAT in advance when ordering from the States so you don't get slapped with the admin fee when it arrives in the UK? Only if the international retailer offers such a service. Cabelas do, you choose the relevant (obvious) option during checkout and it calculates the 'extras' due, you pays your money and the goods arrive with all duties etc paid and nothing else due. Still works out cheaper in a lot (but not all) of cases than buying in the UK. when the exchange rate was almost 2:1, items from the US were significantly cheaper than they were in the UK but now you have to be very selective to get the best value for money and as I have discovered recently, it's worth paying a few extra quid to your local retailer (no matter what they sell) to be able to walk in and get a problem sorted on the spot rather than having to ship back to the States etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyB Posted January 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 I'm sorry Kenny, if I upset you, that wasn't my intention... I'll tell you what, I'll mind my own business..... Right.... on to my business... You are defrauding the taxpayer... i.e. ME (not you, ME.... ME, well actually, as a taxpayer, you ME too! lol).... by actively seeking to avoid paying tax that you should quite rightly pay and that the rest of us have to pay. You are right, it is your business to spend your money as and how you want but don't come on here whinging about getting stung for a tax that you should be paying like the rest of us... Are you some sort of special case who deserves to be let off from paying tax??? And as for your other comments... No... Actually, I have never bought anything that has 'fallen off the back of a lorry' or 'cheap fags and booze' THAT WOULD BE 'RECEIVING STOLEN GOODS' Oh... so you are a special case.... hmmm... It's on the tip of my tongue... hold on.... it's coming.... That's it... the word is.... is.... criminal!!! You really are not painting a very good picture of yourself here! Tax evasion, receiving stolen goods.... smuggling too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KennyB Posted January 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2011 Mr Vipa! Firstly i am appalled at your reply which is clearly stating you have insinuated that i am a criminal, this is known as slander..i would like to point out again that this was a gift for my son and i have done nothing wrong, i am not a tax evader and i have never been. i will now be reporting this post to the moderators.being a good law abideing person like you say you are! do you realise that you have slandered me which is a criminal offence.. when clearly you do not know me, if i am that much of a crminal as you have stated then why would i hold SGC and FAC certificates!! once again i am not happy with your reply and i will be taking this further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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