gwb Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) Does anyone have any experience in the BASC CPSA or APSI coaching courses. Did it make them a better coach. Did they get more work because of a recognised qualification. Was the course of benefit to an inexperienced Instructor. Or of no use because they were too experienced. Did the course teach you something you didnt know previously. Was the course worth the money. Edited January 20, 2011 by gwb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catamong Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 Clayman is the best guy to advise on this one. Cat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayman Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 (edited) Which organisation you choose to take an Instructor course with depends on your prospective clientèle. BASC courses use the NVQ coaching award system, using shotgun skills as the practical element. A BASC instructor will be able to introduce novices to safely handle a game or clay gun, and they put a lot of emphasis on teaching young shots. Teaching is on clays. Training is through mentoring. APSI are geared higher, the qualified APSI coach would be expecting to improve existing game shooters style, provide pre-season warm ups etc. APSI coaches are predominant at some of the more exclusive game orientated grounds, Holland & Holland, Royal Berkshire etc. They are effectively a professional association that provide internal qualifications. They have other specific courses to meet specific needs, for instance a Loaders course. The Guild of Clay Shooting Instructors is similar to APSI, but like BASC bases its qualification on the back of a National qualification system - theirs offered through LANTRA, based out of Agricultural Colleges, and this is also game shooter orientated. LANTRA organise the excellent Shooters First Aid course. ICSI - Institute of Clay Shooting Instructors - is a professional association like APSI, but does not provide internal training. It does provide further workshops ( non-certificated) for existing qualified Instructor / Coaches CPSA is about competition clays and while it covers the differences in say, game safety, it does not focus on the game shooter. CPSA offers both Instructor and higher level Coaching courses. Not all organisations make this distinction - but the definition of an instructor is a person who teaches technical skills - while a coach is some-one who improves a person who has technical skill. Level 1 Instructor course is modular based and defined to qualify a person to "Safely introduce a novice to a simple target". Level 2 coaching is to teach the discipline specifics of Skeet / Trap / Sporting and includes the coaching aspects of psychology , goal setting etc. Level 3 is the designation applied to a CPSA coach who has completed all 3 L-2s Any course will take you at least a year and budget at least £1000 in course fess, travel, external practice etc. Don't engage on a course if you are not ready for it. The CPSA's Instructor Development Workshop ( IDW) provides a one day overview of what you would be taught on the main course, and an assessment of your readiness. The CPSA Senior Coach L-3 will take a minumum of 4 years under most circumstances to achieve and will involve around £5000 of your money and about 20 training days, and lots more off-course practice. Beyond that are Tutor levels ( ie train the trainers) and allow 10 yrs to get to Senior Tutor. One thing often found at the IDW level, is that the enthusiastic prospective instructor needs shooting instruction themselves, and lacks enough basic knowledge and experience. The CPSA recommends that you have shot to at least a B std at Registered competition before you apply to go on Instructor courses., ie if you can manage 65-70% or so regularly on a 100 bird shoot ( not 35 ex 50 on a straw baler) you are probably sufficiently experienced to move into instruction. Its not a set requirement, only advice of a suitable standard so you dont waste money if you are not ready - but IDWs should sort that out for you as you get a written assessment of you capabilities as seen at the time, and recommendations as to whether to go further or to gain more experience and in what areas. Jerry Parks Young MICSI CPSA Senior Tutor CPSA SE Region Technical Rep Edited January 20, 2011 by clayman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshwarrior Posted January 20, 2011 Report Share Posted January 20, 2011 I'm currently doing the Army system accredited and based off the CPSA system, as said the IDW is a great little course that will tell you if you are ready for a full week and if your shooting is upto standard and background knowledge, also tests your instructional ability and develops it is needed. It's instructional package is ok (I train instructors so possibly over critical). Well worth doing I'm on the my main course in April work permitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwb Posted January 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Thanks for the replies This is something I am considering. Whether it will be CPSA or Basc is uncertain at this time. I am currently giving myself a further 3-4 years to gain the experience in shooting both game and clays up in %70 region as Clayman suggested. Whilst doing this I will be trying to soak up as much theory as possible, and hopefully attach myself to a local ground to help in its running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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