roughshooter Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 I want to load some 32g 12g shells using paper cases and a rolled turnover. I have Vectan AS powder and have a lee loadall. I will be using fibre wads - what powder bushing should I use? I am struggling to find any reloading data for Vectan Many thanks in anticipation Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 I have loads, What powder weight are you after? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 weigh your drops, these tables are often way out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted January 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Haven't found any data at all as yet - was hoping someone would give me a recipe for a reasonably fast 12g shell with 32g of lead!!! I don't possess any scales as I have only been loading pyrodex shells Regards Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Vectan AS and lee loadall bushings .128 = 15.4 grains .134 = 16.4 grains .141 = 17.0 grains .148 = 18.0 grains .155 = 18.9 grains .163 = 20.0 grains .171 = 20.9 grains .180 = 22.0 grains .189 = 23.3 grains .198 = 24.2 grains The above is only a guide as flake powders do not always drop well in a lee loadall. Drop weights should be checked with an accurate set of powder scales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted January 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Thanks MC - Will have to get a set of scales I think. I will try to do some research on getting a recipe for a fibre wad cart. It can be difficult especially with a paper case as I have not seen many recipes Regards Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 AS is a bit fast for 32gr although there is one recipe listed in my data. That is as follows CX2000 primer, 21 grains of Vectan AS, B & P Z18 plastic wad, 32gr of shot, 6 point crimp gives 1119 fps at 20 metres and a pressure of 610BAR at 1". The above recipe is CIP tested and approved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted January 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Would a RTO give more or less pressure? And does a fibre wad require an extra grain or two of powder? Regards Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 If you drop to 28 grams of shot then I have a wicked recipe using AS, Fibre or plastic wad, 22.5 grains of AS and a CX1000 primer. You won't go far wrong with that. Have you already bought the powder? If not then go and get some GM3, it is fast, clean and more flexible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 (edited) Graham, There are people who load 1 grain more in a fibre wad load. I personally don't as I leave the press set up and just change the wads. I always load 28 grams of shot over 22 grains of GM3 and a CX2000 primer. This gives a hard hitting but smooth cartridge. I make and load 8's for clays and 6's for pigeons and game. Don't know about the RTO, I don't ever do it. Just use 70mm gamebore cases and a 6 point crimp. Edited January 26, 2011 by MC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roughshooter Posted January 26, 2011 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 My cases a Express paper ready primed - how can I rell if the primer is suitable? I had to get some pyrodex today so bought a tub of Vectan AS whilst I was at local shop. I have a mate who can get GM3 from SSM cartridges but not sure on the price. I will ask him to check it out for me Regards Graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliengravy Posted January 26, 2011 Report Share Posted January 26, 2011 Vectan AS and lee loadall bushings .128 = 15.4 grains .134 = 16.4 grains .141 = 17.0 grains .148 = 18.0 grains .155 = 18.9 grains .163 = 20.0 grains .171 = 20.9 grains .180 = 22.0 grains .189 = 23.3 grains .198 = 24.2 grains The above is only a guide as flake powders do not always drop well in a lee loadall. Drop weights should be checked with an accurate set of powder scales. Just as a side note. I don't fully agree with this. I am finding that the .134 die is dropping me almost 15 grains exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 AS is too fast for 32g. would suggest A1 or A0. on a nother side note, MC that 32g load is ideal for subsonics. CX2000 primer, 21 grains of Vectan AS, B & P Z18 plastic wad, 32gr of shot, 6 point crimp gives 1119 fps just drop 2-3 grains of powder, #4 shot, and you have a wicked sub load. as you have taken away alittle powder. the pressure will never be as high as 610bar and it may still burn clean ! i think this looks better than the 28g sub load. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 If you drop to 28 grams of shot then I have a wicked recipe using AS, Fibre or plastic wad, 22.5 grains of AS and a CX1000 primer. You won't go far wrong with that. Have you already bought the powder? If not then go and get some GM3, it is fast, clean and more flexible. I wonder where you got that from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Some kind soul whose intentions are good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplesmasher Posted November 24, 2011 Report Share Posted November 24, 2011 new to this forum and looking for much needed help you guys seem to know what to do. i have bought a lee loadall11 and need some help in getting going with reloading. i have bought some number 6 shot a tub of Vectan A1 powder and CCi 209 primers. now all i need to do is put the lot together. i want to load a 28gram load 30 gram load and 32 gram load for shooting Feral pigeons clays, 28 gram, Wood Pigeon 30gram and game 32 gram. any help in what to do next would be gratly recieved ie what powder weights corresponde and some general guidance as to what dies to use would be amazing . Thanks for any help you can give me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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