Psyxologos Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Hallo all. I have, for almost half a year now, been in possession of a FAC (.22lr and 7.62) for target shooting. I have now been granted access to a very large (well, as far as I am concerned, anyway) farm, around 10,000 acres with loads of rabbits, pigeon, fox and the odd wandering deer. I already have shotguns and two rifles for the aforementioned calibres, but I obviously need to update my ammunition details with the police force. I also want to get a second .22 rifle, as the one I have is purely for target shooting. How does it work? Do I need to fill in a new application asking for expanding ammunition, sound moderators and the second .22 rifle, or does it all happen as an 'addition' to my existing FAC? Many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Should just be a variation to existing FAC for additional slots +mods and ammo, the land (is large!). As you have an FAC i would phone,email your FLO and ask for a variation for vermin/deer (suitable calibre). Request what you want and why and they should do the rest worth checking to see if the land is already cleared for FAC and to what calibre you could get lucky and get an open ticket (where you rather than FLO decide on suitable calibres). They may want you to do DSC etc for deer but as you have CF experience you may or may have a mentoring condition (go with an experienced stalker for a while and keep a log). Depending on the deer species you may want to put in for a fox/deer calibre .243 or similar and keep the .22lr for Rabbits or look at .17HMR for rabbit and fox (varies by region) and a larger calibre for just deer (depends how many you will need to cull for the landowners management). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colster Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 You fill in the same form as you did when you initially applied but you don't need to fill in the part about references or send any photos. It's worth including a copy of your written permission to shoot on the land signed by the landowner (make sure they include what quarry you can shoot). I'm assuming you want to use the 7.62 for deer so I'd include a covering letter that explains the change of conditions for your existing rifle and then put the details for the additional .22 for hunting on the form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 6, 2011 Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 As above..... But 7.62 Expanding ammo (which is a legal requirement for deer) isn't the easiest to find and .308 is not to be recommended down a 7.62! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted February 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2011 Thanks very much guys. Dekers, you write: As above..... But 7.62 Expanding ammo (which is a legal requirement for deer) isn't the easiest to find and .308 is not to be recommended down a 7.62! I do not really understand what you mean. My FAC states .308/7.62 rifle slot, which I filled with a Browning. I am sure I have seen plenty of ammo in my local gun shops. Did I misinterpret something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Assuming you don't use expanding ammo on your current target shooting trips! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 Assuming you don't use expanding ammo on your current target shooting trips! The police shouldn't grant expanding ammo for just target use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted February 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 No, I do not have expanding ammunition in my FAC. I do have .22 and .308 bullets for target shooting though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted February 7, 2011 Report Share Posted February 7, 2011 You will need to apply for expanding for vermin on your variation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 Thanks very much guys. Dekers, you write: I do not really understand what you mean. My FAC states .308/7.62 rifle slot, which I filled with a Browning. I am sure I have seen plenty of ammo in my local gun shops. Did I misinterpret something? Your opening post said you had a 7.62, as I said, expanding ammo as required for deer is not the easiest to find in 7.62, but if you have a .308 then fine. We also go back to the old chestnut, feeding a .308 with 7.62 "MAY" be acceptable but certainly not adviseable the other way round, as the .308 tends to be a higher pressure load, etc. Frankly I feed all my guns what it says on them, not something close! ATB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted February 8, 2011 Report Share Posted February 8, 2011 (edited) Your opening post said you had a 7.62, as I said, expanding ammo as required for deer is not the easiest to find in 7.62, but if you have a .308 then fine. We also go back to the old chestnut, feeding a .308 with 7.62 "MAY" be acceptable but certainly not adviseable the other way round, as the .308 tends to be a higher pressure load, etc. Frankly I feed all my guns what it says on them, not something close! ATB! I have allways loaded up and shot 30 cal bullets through my .308 sporter and through my 7.62 target rifle . I have shot 7.62 ammo through my .308 sporter and .308 ammo through my 7.62 target rifle with no deprement what so ever they are both 30 calibre . Because .308 and 7.62 do not equate exactly mathmaticly most constabularies choose to treat them as seperate calibres . For all intence and purposes are both 30 calibre .Generally target rifles are denoted as 7.62 and sporters are donated .308 they are both the same calibre . Harnser . Edited February 8, 2011 by Harnser Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted February 9, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 (edited) Your opening post said you had a 7.62, as I said, expanding ammo as required for deer is not the easiest to find in 7.62, but if you have a .308 then fine. We also go back to the old chestnut, feeding a .308 with 7.62 "MAY" be acceptable but certainly not adviseable the other way round, as the .308 tends to be a higher pressure load, etc. Frankly I feed all my guns what it says on them, not something close! ATB! Thanks Dekers. I apologise. I have a .308, I only mentioned 7.62 as I thought the term was interchangeable, as one measure is in metric, the other is imperial. My FAC for example states that I can own a .308/7.62. I bought a Browning A Bolt .308 and I use American Eagle .308WIN full metal jacket target ammunition. I hope this clears things up. Edited February 9, 2011 by Psyxologos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekers Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 Thanks Dekers. I apologise. I have a .308, I only mentioned 7.62 as I thought the term was interchangeable, as one measure is in metric, the other is imperial. My FAC for example states that I can own a .308/7.62. I bought a Browning A Bolt .308 and I use American Eagle .308WIN full metal jacket target ammunition. I hope this clears things up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HW682 Posted February 9, 2011 Report Share Posted February 9, 2011 If you are interested go to the Bullets, Cartidges and Reloading section and read the pinned topic .223 and military ammunition. Once you get a couple of posts in it refers to 7.62 v .308. HW682 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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