Vince Green Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 err nothing a bit of tin foil cant help you with! (providing you know where the aerial is) Thats what we used to do on the taxis. It wasn't a tracker as such but the computer allocated jobs to the nearest taxi. If it lost your signal it would retain your last gps position for ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersonic Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I had them installed in the engineers cars at my old company and they were used primarily to verify overtime claims. Saved £135k in overtime claims in the first year! It was not a popular decision. Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Green Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 You can track anyone's mobile phone, there is a website you go on and it tells you where it is. So your boss doesn't need to put a tracker in the vehicle, and you would never know you have been checked up on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentKill Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 You can track anyone's mobile phone, there is a website you go on and it tells you where it is. So your boss doesn't need to put a tracker in the vehicle, and you would never know you have been checked up on. you can triangulate but you cant track just anyones mobile phones.... the only way you can do this effectively is if they have internal software and AGPS / GPS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 you can triangulate but you cant track just anyones mobile phones.... the only way you can do this effectively is if they have internal software and AGPS / GPS. The company i work for have caught out a couple of people by tracing their work phones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berties Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 My mates butchery business had them fitted to show where his vans went and when,he was loosing 4k meat a fortnight but the head butcher and transport manager were the culperates,fitted trackers ay presto big court case and Dom littlewood stayed with us to film for the BBC,so if you got any thing to hide watch out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipa Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) I don't believe that for one second. "Protecting company assets" is one good alternative Many recruitment agencies I've worked for have recorded how many minutes you spend on the phone per day. Does that mean they don't trust you? No. It just means they want to ensure that employees are doing what they should be doing. I used to work at an agency, a miserable agency at that, but I can quite comfortably tell you that each consultant was taking home around 100k a year. Why? because the boss was a complete 'see you next tuesday' and recorded how long you were on the phone for and if there was any silence in the office, would shout out "Is no one busy right now?" When I first joined, I wondered why no one spoke to each other and when I did try to engage conversation, my boss' motto was "It's showbusiness, Not 'show friends'" He had a lad who had made himself £30,000, yes, £30,000 that month (I was there, so I saw it) admit that he wasn't trying his best. Why? Because if he admitted that he was happy with what he'd made, he'd become complacent. Whilst I don't fully agree with what my old boss was like. I have to say that you're there to work. Stand in his shoes for one minute; You own a fleet of vans which is costing you x amount a month - petrol prices and insurance prices are going through the roof. You want to save money. So fitting £300 GPS trackers to each car will ensure that you're not losing out on any diesel and potentially cutting your insurance by proving to your insurer that you did x amount of miles. If you owned a business, would you not penny pinch? Billy... I think you have hit the nail on the head... Money... Greed... ISN'T good.. it destroys families and causes physical and mental health problems.. It is one thing to be a focused, driven individual with nothing but earning more on your mind but to have that ethos forced upon you is another thing entirely. I worked for a company 10 years ago where the MD always worked from 7 to 9 each day.. he would critiscise anyone who wasn't in the office when he arrived or wasn't in the office when he left. The senior management team (which included me) then took it as read that that's what we had to do to maintain our positions! That isn't good management nor is it good business practice. That is the way to drive your best staff away, very quickly. That business was worth millions to hem and I dare say that if it had been the same for me and the rest of the senior team, we may have been a little more happy about alienating our families and losing touch with our children... sadly people like this don't understand that concept because, quite often, their wives and children come waaaay down the priority list.... I remember a comment made by my boss at the time after I commented that no one actually seemed to like each other in the organisation. Her reply? I have friends at home, I don't need friends here...." I found this very strange, especially when you consider that the people in that office would spend the vast majority of their waking lives together. I think it is vitally important to be friends and have close relationships with anyone you spend that amount of time with. Going back to the original post.. I agree with a couple of the comments on here... Customer facing, 'time critical' functions.... repairmen, deliveries etc.. yes.. tracking vehicles could be a benefit to the end user but arbitrarily tracking the cars of all employees... management, reps etc just says to me 'we don't trust you so remember... we're watching!' One huge step too far in my opinion! I'm so glad I work for myself! My guys can come and go as they please as long as they achieve thier goals and hit their targets... if they can do it in week one, they can have the rest of the month off (they don't but they know I wouldn't bat an eyelid if they did) It makes for an extremely pleasant working environment with the only stress being the self imposed type. It means they get to spend as much time as they possibly can with wives and children and enjoy life.. not work themselves into an early grave.. Work cost me my first wife and alienated me from my eldest kids who are both all but grown up now. I'm not going to let that happen again and am certainly not being responsible for it happening to one of my employees! Edited February 19, 2011 by Vipa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted February 19, 2011 Report Share Posted February 19, 2011 I don't believe that for one second. "Protecting company assets" is one good alternative Many recruitment agencies I've worked for have recorded how many minutes you spend on the phone per day. Does that mean they don't trust you? No. It just means they want to ensure that employees are doing what they should be doing. I used to work at an agency, a miserable agency at that, but I can quite comfortably tell you that each consultant was taking home around 100k a year. Why? because the boss was a complete 'see you next tuesday' and recorded how long you were on the phone for and if there was any silence in the office, would shout out "Is no one busy right now?" When I first joined, I wondered why no one spoke to each other and when I did try to engage conversation, my boss' motto was "It's showbusiness, Not 'show friends'" He had a lad who had made himself £30,000, yes, £30,000 that month (I was there, so I saw it) admit that he wasn't trying his best. Why? Because if he admitted that he was happy with what he'd made, he'd become complacent. Whilst I don't fully agree with what my old boss was like. I have to say that you're there to work. Stand in his shoes for one minute; You own a fleet of vans which is costing you x amount a month - petrol prices and insurance prices are going through the roof. You want to save money. So fitting £300 GPS trackers to each car will ensure that you're not losing out on any diesel and potentially cutting your insurance by proving to your insurer that you did x amount of miles. If you owned a business, would you not penny pinch? Those agencies sound like fairly horrible places to work. In my business everybody has a job to do, and if it doesn't get done it's pretty obvious as things start to go wrong pretty quickly. I don't have to stalk around the office barking at people though, and neither do the factory managers or anyone else in the organisation. They (and I) are trusted to just get on with it, whether in the office or halfway across Europe. Company assets are protected because in general the more you trust someone, the more honourably they are likely to behave. It's all about give and take, and if that isn't working then frankly you employed the wrong person. I was talking about company cars, though, not commercial vehicles. Trackers can make sense in delivery vans and wagons, but if you need to use a tracker to find out whether someone in a company car is doing their job properly then you are a pretty lousy manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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