muckybear Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 hi gang just brought a second hand semi for pigeon shootin cause my o/u was getting marked it fires the first cart ok and ejects it fires the second cart but doesnt eject so the 3rd wont load what is the problem can it be sorted by myself or will it have to go to the shop to be fixed?? will it cost much?? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 (edited) Not too sure about this but it MAY be down to the Magazine loading gate being jammed by the final shell in the mag?? LG Edited March 19, 2006 by Lord Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 (edited) what load shells are you using.my semmi will not feed 24 grms. but anything over this is fine. it may just need a good clean. Edited March 19, 2006 by markbivvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muckybear Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 28g and tried 30g are they hard to strip down??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 are they hard to strip down??? no mate ,once you have done one, i have done mine while out shooting. have a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muckybear Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 this is my first how do i go about it i know how to get the barrel off but how do i clean the workings??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 The ring attatched to the barrel will have 2 small holes in it just put a pipe cleaner through those to make sure they are clear Make sure your rubber o-ring on the action is ok not split or chunks missing or even missing (not unknown ) Check to make sure the recoil absorber (weighted slide) and spring are clean and there is nothing underneath them on the action to cause drag. Make sure the Magazine spring and cap are not dragging or getting caught in the mag anywhere LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo_05 Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Also if it's only the final cart it may be the mag spring isn't strong enough to push the final cartridge home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Or cartridge length what length you using? And what's it chambered for? LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo_05 Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Oops read your post wrong, forget it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muckybear Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 its good for 3" but i only use 2/34" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Should be ok with 2 and 3/4s LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo_05 Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 What auto is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muckybear Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 (edited) ottaman semi could it be the gas piston needs adjusting?? someone has suggested this?? i no nothin about semi`s at all Edited March 19, 2006 by muckybear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milo_05 Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 I wouldn't think so as the 1st cart ejects andit cycles fine, so if you're using the same cartridge it should work again?, strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muckybear Posted March 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 i was using the same cart`s just don`t no enough about them any ideas??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenzie Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Sounds like it might just want a good clean, strip everything oil and replace. If it still won't work take it back where you had it from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Geordie Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Maybe a pump would have been better only draw back is the racking the next shot i can imagine a few people just try pulling the trigger forgetting to cycle the next round into the chamber My Mate was looking at a Pump but people dont want em secondhand LG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Mucky It sounds to me as if your problem could be one of 3 things: 1. The gun is simply mucky inside and needs a good clean. Mucky guns get worse and worse as the gun heats up and the already clogged working parts expand. Give it a damn good clean! 2. Your extractor or ejector is faulty. You could try putting some really pokey carts through (36g and above) to rule out problems with the gas ports/ O ring etc. If the guns action cycles like crazy, and you feel lots of recoil, but you still get the empty catching or getting reloaded, this could be your problem. This will need the attention of a gunsmith. 3. You have a problem with the gas ports/o-ring etc. It may be that the gun is not getting enough "oommph" from the force of the shot, and is not driving the bolt carrier back far enough to reach the point at which it would be ejected. Again, these problems should be dealt with by a gunsmith. I had a similar problem recently with a Franchi Raptor. The gun was repeatedly failing to eject, and was either "stovepiping" the cardridge (ie catching it and leaving it protruding at 90 degrees to the ejection port), or was extracting the empty and then reloading it. A lot of people have advocated stripping it down and giving it a really good clean. This is definately the way to go at first, it is amazing how the build up of **** can affect the workings of a semi. In the end my Franchi went back to GMK who bored the gas ports out. This allows more gas, and therefore more force to be directed against the back stroke of the bolt carrier when the round is fired. This solved the problem with 28g loads, but the gun still wouldnt go near 24g so I got my money back and got a Beretta Urika instead. In the end, I think it was a rogue gun, and had elements of problems 2&3. Sorry for the long winded post, but I know first hand how frustrating and disappointing this problem can be. It might be an idea to take a few piccies of the guns parts when you strip it and post them, because it may just be that someone on here will go "hang on a minute" and identify your problem just like that. Good luck! Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muckybear Posted March 20, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 thanks for that pete think i will take it to the shop where i got it from let them sort it have not got the know how to strip it completly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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