markbjones01 Posted April 17, 2011 Report Share Posted April 17, 2011 Hi guys im not prone to spur of the moment deeds but this morning (love at first sight) i bought a 12 bore Willaim Sumners of Liverpool side lock side by side, it has 29 inch damascus barrells and a lovely grained stock, its still very tight and in great condition ive tried to look up details of it on the internet but cant find anything so what i wanted to know is does any one on here know anything about them, how can i find out how old it is are they worth much ? regards mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Pictures please, I'm guessing you wont be taking that on the marsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 William Sumners of Liverpool worked at 219 Oliver Street, Birkenhead circa 1858-60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 i'll give ya £50 for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeh Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Take pictures of the proof marks, and I'll see if I can give it a rough date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbjones01 Posted April 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Take pictures of the proof marks, and I'll see if I can give it a rough date. thankyou for replies i will take some pics very shortly :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbjones01 Posted April 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Right here goes !! firstly i apologise for the quality of my fotos ive never done close up before so they is a tad blurry !! so i will give a little description for each one pic 1 william sumners then gun number 4364 pic 2 as above pic 3 starts off with what looks like a maple leaf reflected in a line followed by an arrow pointing to it then i can make out 74m nui fo one more set of pics to come :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbjones01 Posted April 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 pic 1 is the breach area it says Anson & Deely Patent 7029 pic 2 is from the underside of each d barrell and says .718'' BNP 12 (in a diagonal square) 2 1/2 3 tons per square inch .723'' BNP 12 (in a diagonal square) 2 1/2 3 tons per square inch many thanks for the help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted April 18, 2011 Report Share Posted April 18, 2011 Use the macro funtion it'll give you clear close up pics ok ok i'll raise to £75, last offer though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbjones01 Posted April 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 :hmm:ive searched and searched the internet and cant find any info anyone got any suggestions on how to find out its age ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunderbuss Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 (edited) I think that's a box lock, not a side lock, albeit one with small sideplates Anson and Deeley is a famous boxlock design Edited April 21, 2011 by Blunderbuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sage 100 Posted April 21, 2011 Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 I think that's a box lock, not a side lock, albeit one with small sideplates Anson and Deeley is a famous boxlock design You are correct. I have worked on this model and make grand little box lock and will give you a lot of fun and pleasure how do the barrels read? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbjones01 Posted April 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2011 You are correct. I have worked on this model and make grand little box lock and will give you a lot of fun and pleasure how do the barrels read? thankyou its a great looking gun and feels fab to use not sure what you mean by "how do the barrels read but underneath it says on each barrel .... . 718'' BNP 12 (in a diagonal square) 2 1/2 3 tons per square inch and .723'' BNP 12 (in a diagonal square) 2 1/2 3 tons per square inch i keep trying to take better pics but my camera isnt up to the task as youve worked on one of these in the past do you remember how old it was ? regards mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Mark if you live near by you can use my canon to take some pics if you like ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbjones01 Posted April 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Mark if you live near by you can use my canon to take some pics if you like ? Mat great idea are you going to the wildfowling meeting on 2nd may ? If so I will bring it then how's your pup comeinh on ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpk Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Mat great idea are you going to the wildfowling meeting on 2nd may ? If so I will bring it then how's your pup comeinh on ? I'll be at the one on the 3rd of may ? Dogs doing well its me that can sometimes be the problem but I am learning the ways. He did a few water retrieves yesterday which I was quite impressed with I just need to get a few more things honed in. All in all though he is doing well. How's yours ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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