HDAV Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 "I think on the mainland they are mostly if not all civie staff. I would want to see identification if it was another FEO who "dropped by without an appointment"." Where exactly is the "mainland"? England, Wales and Scotland, not including Northern Ireland, Eire, Isle of Man or Channel Islands, I dont know about FEO's on Scottish Islands Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 No they don't wear uniforms. Oh, they do in lancs- look pretty much like coppers who have just come off duty, perhaps the free shirts pants and boots are just a perk of the job. Got to be honest with the Odd exception i preffer the old days when the ARV lads came round, they might not all have understood our sports but they had a better working knoledge of firearms and reaslised the threat didn't realy come from us lot but the gangsters, armed robbers and drug dealers. In my area things have been slipping and i have some conserns if the eye is realy on the right ball. Spot checks? twice i had the local plod drop in "on passing" and ask if my wife had the keys to my safe so they might check it on renewals (not sure if it was a trick or not to be fair). Never had it with an FEO that said - cut backs mean they now make an appointment weeks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushjob Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 (edited) "Failing to comply with the need to co-operate with a licensing authority" Never heard that one before, is this on the statute books or have you made it up? I cant possibly see how refusing entry to a civilian employee onto my property can make me an unfit person to hold a Firearms licence It is my right to refuse entry to my home to anyone who does not have official authority unless it is by warrant or court order. etc.... Ian. Just because you've never heard of it does not mean someone has made it up. V. Co-operation with the licensing authority 12.12 The following examples may indicate that a person has not complied with the need to co-operate: a ) the making of abusive or threatening phone calls to firearms licensing department staff; b ) refusal to permit a police officer to inspect firearms or security provisions. The relevant case law here is “Bianchi v Chief Constable of Northumbria” (1998) Quote courtesy of the Home Office Firearms Law Guidance to the Police 2002 - the basis for how you are issued with your cert.... Edited August 8, 2011 by Rushjob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vermincinerator Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Rushjob, Okay i was wrong about making it up, however your quote is home office guidelines not the law, the firearms act does not give any provision for police officers to demand entry to your property unless they think that a crime is being committed. They have no right to demand entry just to have a quick look at your security arrangements. Ian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieh Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 , been done to me before,saturday morning 8'oclock phoned at 7.55am to say he was calling Hi All At 8'oclock on a saturday morning i would not answer the door to anybody not my mum or the pope Geordie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg1 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 No they don't wear uniforms. Mine does!! ... maybe he's just kinky :lol: atvb sg1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vulpicide Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 There was one incident when two people turned up at a sgc holders house and asked to check his cabinet he refused them entry he phoned his local force to be told they had no knowledge of his "visitors" nothing ever came of the inquiries after this incident. Since then my household are under instruction that NO ONE gets into my house to see my security measures unless I am present.I have a decent attitude towards the visiting officers in my area as I have acted as a refferee for some of my club and association members so we are first name terms with one another but I am very wary of people turning up unnanounced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rushjob Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Rushjob, Okay i was wrong about making it up, however your quote is home office guidelines not the law, the firearms act does not give any provision for police officers to demand entry to your property unless they think that a crime is being committed. They have no right to demand entry just to have a quick look at your security arrangements. Ian. Ian The Firearms Act isn't the only bit of legislation you have to be aware of. Just because there is no power of entry enshrined under that Act, it does not preclude the request for occasional access to examine your security and/or weapons and ammunition held. The agreement to co-operate is inferred when you apply for and are issued with your certificate. Best analogy I can thing of is it's like the Highway Code - a lot of it is not written in the Road Traffic Act, but if you have a crash and you have gone against the advice in Highway Code when you cause it, that failure can be used as part of the case to prosecute you in Court. The stated case of Bianchi v Chief Constable of Northumbria (1998) is relevant to this and it is on that basis that were you to refuse access you could come unstuck. It's entirely your decision what you do if and when you are faced with these circumstances. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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