Browning Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 well thats fantastic you have such a good rifle and the ability to load such consistant ammo,well done you are very luck to have such a tool.BUT others are not so lucky or gifted that no more work is needed,so your statement "I dont want to be stood at the loading bench" isnt quite right now is it,as your sorted as others may not be,if you know what I mean No luck involved Ackley, just a good gunsmith and many many years reloading. I think you're kinda missing my point on the rest of my post..... If I/you (anyone!) has a rifle that can consistently shoot sub 1/2" groups, then why do you need to waste time and money getting it to shoot sub 3/8" groups when that time would be much better spent behind the butt practicing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted September 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Is this still going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul223 Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 No luck involved Ackley, just a good gunsmith and many many years reloading. I think you're kinda missing my point on the rest of my post..... If I/you (anyone!) has a rifle that can consistently shoot sub 1/2" groups, then why do you need to waste time and money getting it to shoot sub 3/8" groups when that time would be much better spent behind the butt practicing? how contradicting :blink: many many years reloading and yet your telling this chap to get out and shoot more rather than spend his time reloading and leaning and all cos that time would be better spent behind the butt practicing, exactly what would be happening when load testing, no better practice than that this particular RL7 .243 is still a dangerous load, especially for someone new to reloading, shame a few more on here can't be bothered to say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) No luck involved Ackley, just a good gunsmith and many many years reloading. I think you're kinda missing my point on the rest of my post..... If I/you (anyone!) has a rifle that can consistently shoot sub 1/2" groups, then why do you need to waste time and money getting it to shoot sub 3/8" groups when that time would be much better spent behind the butt practicing? Hi mate just as I thought,so your not using "an out the box rifle" like the new guys on here asking for advice plus you are an experienced reloader so you know how important making ammo consistnt and with the correct powder your statement "why bother if your gun shoot .5" exactly whay bother but 99% of factory rifle dont so you need to sit at the loading bench and the testing bench to get where you are today you obvioulsy forget to tell the people of this site "just a good gunsmith and many many years reloading" has got you to the standard your at now theres always a story to these .5 MOA all day long factory rifles,Iam glad you posted what you did as it prooves my point of what can be acheieved so well done mate Edited September 13, 2011 by Ackley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Troll and devils advocate come to mind . Harnser . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Troll and devils advocate come to mind . Harnser . if you cant bring anything remotley interesting to an adult debate,dont bother mate as your making yourself look silly to others who maybe a little interested thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) how contradicting :blink: many many years reloading and yet your telling this chap to get out and shoot more rather than spend his time reloading and leaning and all cos that time would be better spent behind the butt practicing, exactly what would be happening when load testing, no better practice than that this particular RL7 .243 is still a dangerous load, especially for someone new to reloading, shame a few more on here can't be bothered to say so. Not at all what I am saying Paul, what I am trying to say is that if your hunting rifle is consistantly shooting sub 1/2" groups then time would be better spent behind the butt shooting/practicing than trying to squeeze a further 1/8" out of it. I kind of assumed that load dev had been done correctly already. Edited September 13, 2011 by Browning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Hi mate just as I thought,so your not using "an out the box rifle" like the new guys on here asking for advice plus you are an experienced reloader so you know how important making ammo consistnt and with the correct powder your statement "why bother if your gun shoot .5" exactly whay bother but 99% of factory rifle dont so you need to sit at the loading bench and the testing bench to get where you are today you obvioulsy forget to tell the people of this site "just a good gunsmith and many many years reloading" has got you to the standard your at now theres always a story to these .5 MOA all day long factory rifles,Iam glad you posted what you did as it prooves my point of what can be acheieved so well done mate It matters not a jot whether you are using a factory or semi-custom rifle. Read my post just above this one to see what I am trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 It matters not a jot whether you are using a factory or semi-custom rifle. Read my post just above this one to see what I am trying to say. I read it mate and I fully agree with you,but my point is YOU had to spend the time developing and testing your consistant .5 MOA accuracy plus you had to have work done on your rifle,this sort of accuracy dosent come stright out of the box also not with basic reloading,so Iam just pointing out to newbies that your statement of "my rifle shoots .5 what more do you need" isnt exactly true as it may give the impression to the inexperienced reloader "you just put a bullet together and thats its done" which is what we are seing on here you have to test and test again. my rifles are true .5 and less MOA tools they do this at 100 or 600 yards,but its no good me saying to newbie rifles men thats what you can expect,I dont need it any better even though it will shoot into the 2s if I do my part,you need to explain "hows its acheived,what is needed and hows its done" if you know what I mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) if you cant bring anything remotley interesting to an adult debate,dont bother mate as your making yourself look silly to others who maybe a little interested thank you If you are prepared to post such a load of old tosh then you must accept some of the flack . Its what is known as you carnt fool all of the people all of the time but you can fool some of the people some of the time . Incidently it would be nice to see a spontaneous answer from you rather than a well researched quote from one of your comics or from one of your north American web sites . Harnser . Edited September 13, 2011 by Harnser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 If you are prepared to post such a load of old tosh then you must accept some of the flack . Its what is known as you carnt fool all of the people all of the time but you can fool some of the people some of the time . Harnser . boring bring something interesting and constructive to the table pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee,instead of your rubbish,the ols saying "cant teach and old dog new tricks" I didnt used to beleive it but in your case its obviously true,try catching up with modern times sir,your never to old to learn,ir are you just stuborn and cant accept it in fact put me on your ingore list please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 boring bring something interesting and constructive to the table pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee,instead of your rubbish,the ols saying "cant teach and old dog new tricks" I didnt used to beleive it but in your case its obviously true,try catching up with modern times sir,your never to old to learn,ir are you just stuborn and cant accept it in fact put me on your ingore list please It would be nice to see something original from you . Not just stuff found in comics and from the web . You come across as a 500 yard head shot man to me . Bet I am not very far wrong ,am I ? Harnser . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 (edited) It would be nice to see something original from you . Not just stuff found in comics and from the web . You come across as a 500 yard head shot man to me . Bet I am not very far wrong ,am I ? Harnser . you assume too much sir,500 yard is a long way yes it can be done but no I wouldnt, looks like I was right "cant teach and old dog new tricks" you can find a lot of good info from the web if your prepared to listen and actually understand a subject,sorry my comic reading days are long gone when the danday and beano where out,now if you mean shooting magazines well if you believe whats in them thats your fault how much more original do you want by telling the facts which cannot be disputed no matter how many petty insults you want to post,there are people on this site who want to learn judging by my PM box who just wont post beacuse of people like you Edited September 13, 2011 by Ackley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harnser Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 you assume too much sir,500 yard is a long way yes it can be done but no I wouldnt, looks like I was right "cant teach and old dog new tricks" you can find a lot of good info from the web if your prepared to listen and actually understand a subject,sorry my comic reading days are long gone when the danday and beano where out,now if you mean shooting magazines well if you believe whats in them thats your fault how much more original do you want by telling the facts which cannot be disputed no matter how many petty insults you want to post Bet you subscribe to soldier of fortune . Harnser . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackley Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Bet you subscribe to soldier of fortune . Harnser . again you assume wrong (not even heard of it) its getting a habbit now isnt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardo Posted September 13, 2011 Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Chaps this has descended into school yard squabbling so on that note I think it's run it's course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cockercas Posted September 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2011 Hello I emailed allient powders to enquire about the suitability of reloader 7 powder been used behind a 60gr bullet in .243 He didn't go into detail about it but said its safe to use. But advises using 39.5gr of reloader 15. Not trying to start an argument about it just thort I would sheer the info Thanks joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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