robborobbo Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 Hi. I currently hold a SGC and my father is applying for one shortly. We both stay in the same house with one cabinet. What is the legislation regarding the use of each others guns? Do we need two cabinets, one for each shooter? ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 If you both use the same cabinet, all the guns in the cabinet must be on BOTH SGC's. I think that is all you have to do, as long as there are no FAC firearms in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 (edited) Put all guns on both certificates. Edit: Sorry, Bloke , was typing! Edited April 8, 2012 by wymberley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 Speak to your licencing authority as different forces vary, but as it's only shotguns then they will probably be happy for you to share a cabinet as long as all the guns are on both certificates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 I share a cabinet with the wife. My guns are on my cert, her guns on hers. Because you can borrow a shotgun for 72 hours casual access to either shotguns not an issue. North Yorks suggestion. I have a separate FAC cabinet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 I share a cabinet with the wife. My guns are on my cert, her guns on hers. Because you can borrow a shotgun for 72 hours casual access to either shotguns not an issue. North Yorks suggestion. I have a separate FAC cabinet. You aren't borrowing them though. You merely have access to them by default. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apache Posted April 8, 2012 Report Share Posted April 8, 2012 You aren't borrowing them though. You merely have access to them by default. J. Yes but that access means that I can borrow the gun for 72hours without notifying anyone. Assuming you have a SGC I can leave you house sitting for me for a weekend and leave you the keys for the safe to borrow any of my shotguns (you can borrow them all) so long as I have the keys back in my hand within 72 hours. You can take them clay shooting etc. All perfectly legal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evo Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Hi. I currently hold a SGC and my father is applying for one shortly. We both stay in the same house with one cabinet. What is the legislation regarding the use of each others guns? Do we need two cabinets, one for each shooter? ATB bit of advice,,,,,make sure your dad remembers everything and puts it down on the application form ,,,,,,good luck and best wishes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperfection Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 As other have mentioned-the Police wont have a problem with the same guns being on both of your licences.Infact they like this as it reduces the gun count in their area (ie for example you and your dad share 2 guns instead of having 2 each).When he applies tell him to write a letter with his application explaining this with your details too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Yes but that access means that I can borrow the gun for 72hours without notifying anyone. Assuming you have a SGC I can leave you house sitting for me for a weekend and leave you the keys for the safe to borrow any of my shotguns (you can borrow them all) so long as I have the keys back in my hand within 72 hours. You can take them clay shooting etc. All perfectly legal. Yes, but you aren't actually borrowing them so the exemption does not apply, surely? The relevent section from the Firearms Act 1997 says; 32 Transfers of firearms etc. to be in person. (1)This section applies where, in Great Britain— (a)a firearm or ammunition to which section 1 of the 1968 Act applies is sold, let on hire, lent or given by any person, or (b)a shot gun is sold, let on hire or given, or lent for a period of more than 72 hours by any person, Section 33 also deals with the matter regarding notifications. The only time in which the 72 hour exemption applies is when the gun is actually loaned to the other person. Lending some one a something is just that - lending it to them for them to use. If I am house sitting for you then I am not borrowing your shoutgun I am looking after your house. If you live with another person who shares your cabinet then you are not borrowing their shotgun you are sharing a cabinet with them. Don't get me wrong - it's utterely stupid that one FAC/SGC holder cannot have access to another FAC/SGC holders guns but that is the law and you cannot bend the meaning of the English language to get a desired outcome. If you do then sooner or later someone will end up in court over it and will lose. J. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wymberley Posted April 9, 2012 Report Share Posted April 9, 2012 Yes, but you aren't actually borrowing them so the exemption does not apply, surely? The relevent section from the Firearms Act 1997 says; 32 Transfers of firearms etc. to be in person. (1)This section applies where, in Great Britain— (a)a firearm or ammunition to which section 1 of the 1968 Act applies is sold, let on hire, lent or given by any person, or (b)a shot gun is sold, let on hire or given, or lent for a period of more than 72 hours by any person, Section 33 also deals with the matter regarding notifications. The only time in which the 72 hour exemption applies is when the gun is actually loaned to the other person. Lending some one a something is just that - lending it to them for them to use. If I am house sitting for you then I am not borrowing your shoutgun I am looking after your house. If you live with another person who shares your cabinet then you are not borrowing their shotgun you are sharing a cabinet with them. Don't get me wrong - it's utterely stupid that one FAC/SGC holder cannot have access to another FAC/SGC holders guns but that is the law and you cannot bend the meaning of the English language to get a desired outcome. If you do then sooner or later someone will end up in court over it and will lose. J. J. If you were house sitting because the occupier was away and otherwise the house would be unoccupied, you would occupy the position of occupier, albeit temporarily and as the occupier you could both lend it and borrow it - legally! Not only that you could use it in your own presence! I think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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