kitchy Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 hi im 18 legal to buy a knife i bought a gerber ultimate survival knife solid knife not foldable and ive heard so many different story's and so much mixed **** on the interent so i was hoping to try and get some advice off you lot because most of you will cary a knife,the blade lenght is 4.8" and i no this sounds daft but if i get stopped and they say were you goaing with it would it be acceptable to say "im goaing trecking" because i walk miles through woods and i carry a back pack full of food and other trecking equiptment or i go shooting so if i had my gun and i had my knife on me could i say im goaing shooting ? just need someone to shed a little light because i have to walk through a few streets to get to the wood the knife also has a whistle and a fire starter kit so i was thinking it would be ok to say im goaing trecking IE survival knife Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) i arent up on the law when it comes to knives but i wouldnt of thought you would get away with carrying a fixed blade of that length when your going 'trekking' Edited April 17, 2012 by TJ91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchy Posted April 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 yeah but thats whats its made for you no what i mean im kina stuck its made for that i can understand the length but i mean i dont no but i go trecking for days 3 days at a time so i dont no what the plan is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) maybe you will be ok if your trekking in a different country. i thought it was a blade of more than 3 inches and you need a damn good excuse, more so if your young and wear hoods and trakkie bottoms i dont really know what is deemed a good excuse though i would also be interested to know the law on this, although i very rarely carry a knife of any good size i do have a few lurking about Edited April 17, 2012 by TJ91 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie uk Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 You cant have a fixed blade more than 3 inch in a public place, including a lock knife. If it was in its sheath and packed away till you got on private land then that might be ok. if its strapped to your belt, i would say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchy Posted April 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 i dont wear trackies and that lmao maybe a ktm racing hoodie time to time but i dont get it its a ultimate survival knife so all in all why would they sell it in the UK if it wasnt legal and the knife is made for trecking its got a fire starter and instructions on how to build shelers and snares water and so on u no what i mean so im stumped THE LINK BELOW IS TH EKNIFE ITS SELF http://www.gerbergear.com/Survival/Knives/Survival-Series-Ultimate-Knife_31-000751 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpcrazy Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 carrying a blade of any sort in puplic is a BIG no no. i have a friend who is a chief and when he takes his knives to work they gotta be locked up in a box in the boot of his car, i use to carry a knife as i fish a lot and if i got stopped i would say a knife is a tool not a weapon that was ok back then. now its a diffrent story coz of all the young gangs stabbin each oth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter.123 Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) Here goes, Amy knife no matter what shape or size it is shouldn't be carried in a public place! There Is exceptions tho, I don't think trekking would be a lawful excuse to carry that sort of knife in the uk. Using it for shooting is a different ball game, as long as you can prove it's a 'hunting' knife you can have whatever blade length, I carry 3 and so do most others I shoot with, 1 BIG fixed blade, 1 medium fixed blade and a BIG lock knife, all having there uses and I can prove them uses. Why would you need a knife that big for trekking Nothing to attack you really APART FROM THE FAMOUS BLACK CATS OF ENGLAND :o meowwwww EDIT bloody phone predictive text Edited April 17, 2012 by Sharpshooter.123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchy Posted April 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 so what can i do ? explain please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 I wouldnt risk it myself. When you say 'trekking' what exactly do you mean...you go for a long walk and sleep under tha stars a couple nights? do you build your own shelters out of foliage etc?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpcrazy Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 why would they sell it in the UK if it wasnt legal and the knife is made for trecking its got a fire starter and instructions on how to build shelers and snares water and so on u no what i mean so im stumped THE LINK BELOW IS TH EKNIFE ITS SELF to answer that one its the same as cannabis seeds and things. its legal to sell them and all the stuff to grow the **** but if you ever went down that road mr police man would be knockin at the door Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchy Posted April 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 hmm i get what you mean next time im near my police station it cant help to go in and ask can it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 hmm i get what you mean next time im near my police station it cant help to go in and ask can it actually...it probably will help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchy Posted April 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 il problies get questioned and problies searched haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpcrazy Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 hmm i get what you mean next time im near my police station it cant help to go in and ask can it i think thats the best way to go. and i would leave the knife in the house untill you no for sure were you stand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJ91 Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 il problies get questioned and problies searched haha you would be maybe better off talking to BASC or the like i wouldnt hold out for a decent response from an 'officer' on the desk of the local town/city shop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 (edited) I found some info that I've pasted below... The Criminal Justice Act (1988) says that you may carry a knife with a blade length of 3.0" or less so long as it is capable of folding. That means no fixed blade knives. But use your loaf - a knife has no place at a football match, in a pub, nightclub or school and becomes an offensive weapon in these circumstances in just the same way as a screwdriver, or any other innanimate tool. f you wish to carry a larger knife then you must have 'reasonable cause'. That means that you must be able to prove that you had a genuine reason for carrying the knife. You may carry a larger cutting tool if it is associated with your work (for instance a chef may carry a 9.0" butchers knife roll to and from work), or if it is associated with your sport, (for instance a fisherman may carry a 6.0" fillet knife, or a hunter may carry a 4.0" fixed blade hunting knife). However, if taken literally it seems less clear. The actual act wording makes no reference to knives as part of equipment associated with a pastime. I think that if it was me, I'd ring the local Police and ask for clarification. 139 Offence of having article with blade or point in public place.E+W (1)Subject to subsections (4) and (5) below, any person who has an article to which this section applies with him in a public place shall be guilty of an offence. (2)Subject to subsection (3) below, this section applies to any article which has a blade or is sharply pointed except a folding pocketknife. (3)This section applies to a folding pocketknife if the cutting edge of its blade exceeds 3 inches. (4)It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had good reason or lawful authority for having the article with him in a public place. (5)Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (4) above, it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had the article with him— (a)for use at work; (b)for religious reasons; or ©as part of any national costume. (6)A person guilty of an offence under subsection (1) above shall be liable- [F1(a)on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum, or both; (b)on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding [F2four] years, or a fine, or both.] (7)In this section “public place” includes any place to which at the material time the public have or are permitted access, whether on payment or otherwise. (8)This section shall not have effect in relation to anything done before it comes into force. Edited April 17, 2012 by -Mongrel- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchy Posted April 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 yeah i always carry one the blase is 2"'s wel ldont cary it when i go for a meal or shopping and i no its legal to carry one that had 3" or underlade with no excuse but my new one im not realy sure ive been stoped a few times with my other one but nothing said because its been in its little pouch on my belt i wasnt trying to hide it or conceel it if thats how its spelt so i mean it might be hit and miss with each copper they might see fit to take different measures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpcrazy Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 can i point out that 2yrs ago there was a coat they stopped being sold over here in the uk because in came with a 2inch pen knife and that coat was of a survival/storm coat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchy Posted April 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 disgusting what the yobs have brought the world into s owhat am i goaing to do with a 5" blade disgracefull man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 actually...it probably will help Nice knife but lets get to the question here; the rules on knives and knife carrying are really simple, unless it as folding (not lockable, not even a little bit!!) and the blade is under 3 inches in length (thats the cutting edge btw) then you need a "good reason" to have it in public. There are standard defences such as education, religion and work, other than that you have to convince the copper there and then that you have good reason, if you are trecking across miles of woodland with your camping gear etc etc then you might, might, just have reason, hunting is an example that should be fine to justify "good reason" on private land of course. Having it on my belt whilst i take the scenic route to the pub with my better half just incase i come across some firewood that i might like to take home or whatever would not count. Walking on the downs and pickign blackberris would also not count. Its up to you what you feel is good reason, but consider that the copper will see a young lad with a knife that, to be fair could skin someone with little worries, and he needs good reason, he will probably arrest you and let the magistrates decide, i would, and have. No one wants to let someone keep a knife for them to go on to kill someone a few minutes of even months later, when the stewards enquirey comes (it will) it wont look good for his future (rather short lived now) job prospects and is easily preventable. I would suggest though that if you are trekking about the place and staying on private land, the knife in the bottom of your bag, then you probably will ok, but its an iffy probably, and besides why do you need such a knife for treking? i didnt often use a knife like that in the forces let alone the woods (might have been nice though). The coppers will also need a reason for stopping, speaking and searching you, best not to give them one. All the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bedwards1966 Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 hmm i get what you mean next time im near my police station it cant help to go in and ask can it actually...it probably will help i think thats the best way to go. and i would leave the knife in the house untill you no for sure were you stand Err, this should be a good way to go about this - but it isn't. The police frequently know nothing about the law, they have 'experts' that don't know the law - go somewhere that actually knows what they're talking about for advice. I suggest the BASC guidance on carrying knives which can be found here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 I do take a knife hunting and fishing with me that is longer than 3" and fixed blade. It always stays in the sheath and bag or box when in public so isn't on my person, I would argue that I had 'good reason' to carry it as I was going to or coming back from fishing/hunting. I'm still not convinced having looked at it that it's legal to do so though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitchy Posted April 17, 2012 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 end of the day i think ive sparked something bigger than the .22 V .177 war hahaha but yeah im gonna carry it in my backpack as normal and at the end of the day ill just have to argue and ill go to the police station and who ever i ask about knife law ill quote there speach and there name and if i apear in court ill just argue and argue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GingerCat Posted April 17, 2012 Report Share Posted April 17, 2012 I do take a knife hunting and fishing with me that is longer than 3" and fixed blade. It always stays in the sheath and bag or box when in public so isn't on my person, I would argue that I had 'good reason' to carry it as I was going to or coming back from fishing/hunting. I'm still not convinced having looked at it that it's legal to do so though. Can't see a problem with it myself, lets face it you are fishing, the knife is in the tackle box and your clearly sensible to this or you would have it out or whatever, that would satisy me, im not every copper, but i wouldn't mind that you have it in your fishing tackle, the reality is though, how would i know you had it unless you were doing something to make me have a a look? We're only human (and some of us do know the law a little bit better than you might think. all the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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