Deer with a shotgun

[kenelmh]

Hi.

 

I know on the continent they shoot all kinds with almost anything, albeit recently I am coming around to the fact that this does not always mean an unclean kill if the shooter is skilled enough (as always). But does anyone on here shoot deer with a shotgun?

 

And is it a job for slugs or buckshot? Assuming 21g no. 9's aint gonna cut it!!

 

Interested to know!

 

Edited April 20, 2012 by kenelmh

[malkiserow]

Worth doing a Pigeon Watch search on this subject. There was one recently and many more before that.

[bedwards1966]

You're can use slugs, but it doesn't seem to be the done thing - and a bit pointless perhaps, as you need a FAC for slugs so it's better to buy a rifle.

 

From the HO guidelines:

 

13.31 The Deer Act also authorises the use

of smooth-bore guns of at least 12 bore for

shooting deer, firing a non spherical slug of

at least 350 grains to kill deer on cultivated

land, pasture or enclosed woodland if it can

be shown that the deer were causing serious

damage to crops, vegetables, fruit, growing

timber or other property, that such damage

was likely to continue and that that action

was needed to prevent this. This provision

was intended to allow farmers and crofters

who own a shot gun but not a rifle to deal

with marauding deer.

 

It has to be done when they're damaging crops etc, you can't just shoot them with slugs for the fun of it, so it's not really a practical option much of the time anyway, and as I said pointless as you could use a rifle.

[kenelmh]

You're can use slugs, but it doesn't seem to be the done thing - and a bit pointless perhaps, as you need a FAC for slugs so it's better to buy a rifle.

 

From the HO guidelines:

 

13.31 The Deer Act also authorises the use

of smooth-bore guns of at least 12 bore for

shooting deer, firing a non spherical slug of

at least 350 grains to kill deer on cultivated

land, pasture or enclosed woodland if it can

be shown that the deer were causing serious

damage to crops, vegetables, fruit, growing

timber or other property, that such damage

was likely to continue and that that action

was needed to prevent this. This provision

was intended to allow farmers and crofters

who own a shot gun but not a rifle to deal

with marauding deer.

 

It has to be done when they're damaging crops etc, you can't just shoot them with slugs for the fun of it, so it's not really a practical option much of the time anyway, and as I said pointless as you could use a rifle.

 

Cheers!

I didn't know slugs were FAC, you learn something everyday!

 

Thanks for the info, it was hyperthetical question but good to know. Rifle it will be if ever I get the chance or a FAC!

 

Cheers!

[bavarianbrit]

In Switzerland it is required on deer hunt driven days for safety reason but in most other European coutries that I am familiar with it is not allowed.

Martin

Cheers!

I didn't know slugs were FAC, you learn something everyday!

 

Thanks for the info, it was hyperthetical question but good to know. Rifle it will be if ever I get the chance or a FAC!

 

Cheers!

[huffhuff]

As above.

 

A simple search brings up many threads on the subject (generally highly emotive and finally get locked as little boys can't play nice). As an example;

 

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/202061-deer-shooting/page__p__1731361__hl__%2Bdeer+%2Bshotgun__fromsearch__1#entry1731361

or

http://forums.pigeonwatch.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/200455-deer-with-slgus/page__p__1717119__hl__%2Bdeer+%2Bshotgun__fromsearch__1#entry1717119

[leeds chimp]

is that now why on my FAC I did a variation from FAC air to FAC shotgun and now have deer on it plus humane killing and shooting animals for protection of other animals and people??

[jason kaye]

is that now why on my FAC I did a variation from FAC air to FAC shotgun and now have deer on it plus humane killing and shooting animals for protection of other animals and people??

 

That would be a standard condition refering to expanding ammunition on yor FAC ,and not what your FAC shotgun is conditioned for,everyone who has the authority for expanding ammo on their cert has this condition.

Jase.

[CharlieT]

Just to get this correct a 12 bore shotgun using AAA or slugs may be used to kill deer as long as you comply with section 7 of the Deer Act. The deer DO NOT have to be shot whilst they are doing damage.

 

The act states:-

 

(1)Subject to subsection (3) below, a person to whom this section applies shall not be guilty of an offence under section 2 above by reason of— .

(a)the taking or killing of any deer by means of shooting, or .

(b)the injuring of any deer by means of shooting in an attempt to take or kill it, .

on any cultivated land, pasture or enclosed woodland.

(2)Subject to subsection (3) below, a person to whom this section applies shall not be guilty of an offence under section 4(2)(a) above by reason of the use, for the purpose of taking or killing any deer on any land, of any smooth-bore gun of not less gauge than 12 bore which is loaded with— .

(a)a cartridge containing a single non-spherical projectile weighing not less than 22.68 grammes (350 grains); or .

(b)a cartridge purporting to contain shot each of which is .203 inches (5.16 millimetres) in diameter (that is to say, size AAA). .

(3)A person to whom this section applies shall not be entitled to rely on the defence provided by subsection (1) or subsection (2) above as respects anything done in relation to any deer on any land unless he shows that— .

(a)he had reasonable grounds for believing that deer of the same species were causing, or had caused, damage to crops, vegetables, fruit, growing timber or any other form of property on the land; .

(b)it was likely that further damage would be so caused and any such damage was likely to be serious; and .

©his action was necessary for the purpose of preventing any such damage. .

(4)The persons to whom this section applies are— .

(a)the occupier of the land on which the action is taken; .

(b)any member of the occupier’s household normally resident on the occupier’s land, acting with the written authority of the occupier; .

©any person in the ordinary service of the occupier on the occupier’s land, acting with the written authority of the occupier; and .

(d)any person having the right to take or kill deer on the land on which the action is taken or any person acting with the written authority of a person having that right.