Ramblers

[Harnser]

30-6 ,every body who is out in the country side shooting game or vermin with a rifle of any calibre has to make an educated decision as to whether or not to take a shot. Safety being paramount every time you pull the trigger . You cannot take into account every single anonomally that may happen ,other wise you would never pull the trigger . You dont need to have a 40 foot high sand bank behind the deer or rabbit that you shooting to make a safe shot . It is very important that you know the land that you are shooting over . Where I shoot it is very flat ground and some of it is only safe to shoot from a high seat , not because of the flat ground but because there are dwellings and farm buildings fairly close by . If you pay for a days stalking on strange ground you will most likely shoot from a high seat ,unless you go out with the stalker who will know the land and only let you shoot where it is safe to .

 

Harnser .

[gixer1]

Have to say - all the deer I have shot in the last year and a bit have been 75gn BT's, and those are not neck shot, but what I will say is they are Roe so slighter in body than the red/sika/fallow, I changed from 90 and 100gr sp's as i wanted one round to cover roe and fox with reduced drop and reduced follow on. although i will say for red it'll be 100gr sp's - and not just due to legislation.

 

you can never be 100% sure that some freak accident isn't going to happen (anyone who has watched the heat trace video's of centre fire rounds bouncing off at 90° can vouch for this, what you can do is greatly reduce the risk by taking all precautions and not shooting at a gizzilion yard targets in silly directions.

 

Myself and another member were out lamping one night and had a rather well chested woman jog past the lamp! scared the bejesus out of us! :blink:

 

Regards,

Gixer

Edited May 21, 2012 by gixer1

[al4x]

have to say Gixer I had a 75grn vmax do a naughty on me when shooting fallow, head shot one then the bullet exited close to 45 degrees and performed a perfect heart lung on a buck 20 yards back. The shot was witnessed and neither of us believed I'd shot the other as it was no where near the first one. fairly scary when you consider backstops etc. What I will say is it was a very clean heart lung shot considering it was a vmax round clean entry and exit.

[gixer1]

have to say Gixer I had a 75grn vmax do a naughty on me when shooting fallow, head shot one then the bullet exited close to 45 degrees and performed a perfect heart lung on a buck 20 yards back. The shot was witnessed and neither of us believed I'd shot the other as it was no where near the first one. fairly scary when you consider backstops etc. What I will say is it was a very clean heart lung shot considering it was a vmax round clean entry and exit.

 

 

so what your saying is it will still go through....which is fine! any round has the possibility to come out at an obscure angle....that was my point, you also helped back up my other point that BT's are not the "devils tool" for shooting deer...

 

Regards,

Gixer

Edited May 21, 2012 by gixer1

[Gimlet]

Harnser (post 9)

 

The point i was trying to ask was, if a shot is available and the shooter knows 100 percent that there is a safe backstop in the shape of a hill behind the quarry, but between that backstop and the quarry is a spinney say and in the spinney is a poacher shooting say squirrels quietly with an air rifle, said poacher would not be visible to shooter. So does the shooter take the shot assuming that no one is in the spinney knowing he does have a safe backstop or leave the shot just in case someone is in the spinney.

 

 

What you're talking about there is 'dead ground'. An area between the rifle and a safe backstop which could be concealing a potential hazard from the shooter. Dead ground is extremely dangerous. Low spots in fields can hide objects as large as combine harvesters which can suddenly materialise in the foreground in the scope. And on bland surfaces like plough furrows or stubble dead ground can be hard to see. Even obvious dead ground like your spinney is easily overlooked in the excitement of aquiring a target.

Its one more apsect of gun safety which shooters have to learn about and search for before the shot is fired. The trouble with shooting is that learning by your mistakes is not an option, and in the eyes of the law there are no accidents involving firearms, only negligence.