compo90 Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 i think the OP needs to speak to his FEO who may guide him through this process. it must be able to be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted June 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) Made a quick call to Northallerton Shooting sports, wanted over £500 for a new MP-A (£439 elsewhere). To convert the existing Escort it's approx: £50 for the replacement mag tube and extension tube, also reckons the MP pistol grip stock will fit and they may do a set of open sights for it as well. I'm ringing back later next week to see what he finds out. Edited June 16, 2012 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 You have an RFD on the thread saying they can't do it~!! that does not mean it can't be done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark35gun Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 I simply mean that according to Derbyshire licencing manager it cannot be reversed once put on fac , although I am quite aware that different forces interpret the firearms act differently , it's a one way street in derbyshire. He simply will not allow it Example, I took In p/x a daystate mk 3 fac air rifle, chronographed it , 11.2 ftlb rang daystate they confirmed it was sold a a sub 12 air rifle in writing, and never altered by them, given the fact that they are electronic its not likely to be done by anyone else I submitted this letter along with our comprehensive crono test results which showed it to be a sub 12 air rifle with a requestthat it be removed from the sect 1 register as it clearly never been a fac and certainly wasn't when it was in my possession, "Once fac always fac was their response" I was flatly refused Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 I simply mean that according to Derbyshire licencing manager it cannot be reversed once put on fac , although I am quite aware that different forces interpret the firearms act differently , it's a one way street in derbyshire. He simply will not allow it Example, I took In p/x a daystate mk 3 fac air rifle, chronographed it , 11.2 ftlb rang daystate they confirmed it was sold a a sub 12 air rifle in writing, and never altered by them, given the fact that they are electronic its not likely to be done by anyone else I submitted this letter along with our comprehensive crono test results which showed it to be a sub 12 air rifle with a requestthat it be removed from the sect 1 register as it clearly never been a fac and certainly wasn't when it was in my possession, "Once fac always fac was their response" I was flatly refused They CANNOT refuse you. They have absolutely no power to do this what-so-ever. If it's under 12tf/lbs, is a 2 shot restricted semi-auto shotgun then it IS NOT FAC-able. The police cannot make up the law as they go along. If you take it off your register then what are they going to do - I mean, what do they prosecute you with? They cannot rosecute you because there is no offence you could ever be charged with. They cannot charge a subsequent purchaser with ossesion of an FAC airgun or shotgun because it isn't one! J. They CANNOT refuse you. They have absolutely no power to do this what-so-ever and you do not have to ask their permission. If it's under 12tf/lbs, is a 2 shot restricted semi-auto shotgun then it IS NOT FAC-able. The police cannot make up the law as they go along. If you take it off your register then what are they going to do - I mean, what do they prosecute you with? They cannot rosecute you because there is no offence you could ever be charged with. They cannot charge a subsequent purchaser with ossesion of an FAC airgun or shotgun because it isn't one! J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 I simply mean that according to Derbyshire licencing manager it cannot be reversed once put on fac , although I am quite aware that different forces interpret the firearms act differently , it's a one way street in derbyshire. He simply will not allow it Example, I took In p/x a daystate mk 3 fac air rifle, chronographed it , 11.2 ftlb rang daystate they confirmed it was sold a a sub 12 air rifle in writing, and never altered by them, given the fact that they are electronic its not likely to be done by anyone else I submitted this letter along with our comprehensive crono test results which showed it to be a sub 12 air rifle with a requestthat it be removed from the sect 1 register as it clearly never been a fac and certainly wasn't when it was in my possession, "Once fac always fac was their response" I was flatly refused I suggest you write to your trade association and get them to put the FLM right on your behalf because clearly his ineptitude is costing you business! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 I've just bought a Section.1 M37 that I've paid the dealer to have restricted to Section.2. He says that it has to go to proof after the change. The dealer has taken the money. It'll be interesting to see what - if anything - turns up... Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark35gun Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 I have spoken to the GTA on this matter, I am still awaiting a response.......... Anothe example, which may be of interest is, in Derbyshire a sec1 air rifle comes open condition as standard, I asked why this should be as I know that other forces don't do this straight away, " well I don't know really it's always been that way" was the response, The firearms act IS in desperate need of reform But yes you're right it does cost me business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedra1106 Posted June 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 (edited) Small update. Rang Northallerton Shooting to see what they had sorted out for me, short answer is nothing. Chap who was dealing with it flew off to Egypt on hols yesterday and no one else knows about it. So, rang Shooting Supplies in Bromsgrove for a new MP-A, they weren't sure if they had one or not or if they did it may be a 2+1, 5+1 or a 7+1!, just rang me back and it's a 7+1 and will be at my RFD tomorrow Edited June 20, 2012 by phaedra1106 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
station Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 This USED to be the case, but the proof house will no longer "proof" a shotgun that has been restricted to meet the requirements of the act - they did it initially to cover the crimped tubes etc and the change in the law, but will no longer do so. This is as a result of home office regulation. You can debate it all you like - but I have sat with the proof master trying to get this resolved - once a Section 1 - always a Section 1. (Now!) Mike I live in the next county and always believed your 'once a section 1 - always a section 1' to be absolutely true. So I am surprised at what I am reading in this post ! ATB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 I live in the next county and always believed your 'once a section 1 - always a section 1' to be absolutely true. So I am surprised at what I am reading in this post ! ATB The only 'once a section XXX - always a section XXX) applies to stuff that is section.5 and only then if you are convertining it to Sec.1 or Sec.2. It can still be deactivated and go out of the licensing system altogether. I don't think that any other country makes semi-auto shotguns with 2 shot mags so the ones we buy all enter the country as section 1 so it cannot be the case of 'once a section 1, always a section 1' J Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 I don't think that any other country makes semi-auto shotguns with 2 shot mags so the ones we buy all enter the country as section 1 so it cannot be the case of 'once a section 1, always a section 1' J the US have removable plugs for federal migratory bird laws, but then they dont have proof! Is it possible to have sect5 stuff become 1 or 2? Short multishot shotguns? What about LBR etc that come in as revolvers and get lengthened etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted June 23, 2012 Report Share Posted June 23, 2012 Is it possible to have sect5 stuff become 1 or 2? Short multishot shotguns? What about LBR etc that come in as revolvers and get lengthened etc? There is no way to get anything out of sec.5 if it has ever been in a state which would have classed it as sec.5 - even if it were not section 5 when it was made - unless you destroy or deactivate it. The exception is a pump or semi-auto shotgun if the only reason it would have been categorised as sec.5 was because it had a barrel of less than 24". So, you could not simply lengthen the barrel on a pistol you had prior to 1997 when it was sec.1 so as to make it not fall under it's new classification of sec.5. I know a chap who had a Thompson-Center Contender pistol at the time of the pistol ban and he wasn't allowed to swap the barrel (they are removable) and swap the pistol grip for a rifle butt-stock as the gun had once been a pistol. He handed it in and used to compensation money to buy a Contender which was built as a rifle which was identical in every detail to one he wanted to build on the frame of his old pistol! The LBR's and LBP's don't come in to the UK and get modified. The Taurus ones are built like that by Taurus in Brazil. The 1911 based ones are bought as parts kits from GSG in Germany and are assembled into guns in this country. None of the parts have ever been incorporated into anything which would be regarded as sec.5 which is why they are section.1 J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChAoS Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 This USED to be the case, but the proof house will no longer "proof" a shotgun that has been restricted to meet the requirements of the act - they did it initially to cover the crimped tubes etc and the change in the law, but will no longer do so. This is as a result of home office regulation. You can debate it all you like - but I have sat with the proof master trying to get this resolved - once a Section 1 - always a Section 1. (Now!) Or not... Although I acquired my newly-rescricted shotgun a couple of weeks ago, the vendor has only just sent me the certificate. The certificate says: "Certificate Of Magazine Restriction The London Proof House hereby certifies that the adaptation of the gun described below..." It is "signed" by the "Proof Master for the London Proof House" and dated "5 Jul 2012". Perhaps it's a fake... Regards, Mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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