.22lr group sizing

[jamiedenny]

Thanks, I tried that but still no luck.

[gixer1]

Don't worry too much if the group size is around 1" at 50-75 yards - I think a lot of people expect too much from a 22lr - the link put up by wymberly is one I posted a while ago and shows a competition grade target rifles best group at 100yards was 1/2" so I think a few people are mis calling group size

 

My Winchester with Winchester subs is around 1" at 50 yards - perfect for the rabbits and ranges I shoot.

 

Regards,

Gixer.

Edited June 27, 2012 by gixer1

[jamiedenny]

Thanks gixer1.

[wymberley]

Hi all,

I wondered what group size everyone usually achieves with their .22lr.

I have a new cz style that has had at least 500 rounds though it. Is was achieving reasonable 1/2 groups with Winchester and eley rounds. After a 100 or so rounds of each the Winchester opened up and the eley reduced to around 35mm.

I (maybe stupidly) cleaned the barrel and now the groups are all over the place. After a 100 rounds the Eley are back down to 1inch -1.5inch at 70yards.

I guess my question is:

Is an inch at 70 yards the usual and am I chasing a pointless dream to get it smaller?. Or should I keep trying different ammo (tried eley, Winchester, cci subs and cci stinger).

Appreciate you thoughts folks

 

Stick at it jamie, there's no harm in chasing a dream. I'm 68 and am still at it. If I catch the bloody thing it'll all have been worth while!

[kent]

Hmmm a £5 note doesn't go more than a couple of inches between the barrel and stock.

 

front "action" screw actually attaches to a dovetailed lug on the barrel on the varmint

[kent]

Don't worry too much if the group size is around 1" at 50-75 yards - I think a lot of people expect too much from a 22lr - the link put up by wymberly is one I posted a while ago and shows a competition grade target rifles best group at 100yards was 1/2" so I think a few people are mis calling group size

 

My Winchester with Winchester subs is around 1" at 50 yards - perfect for the rabbits and ranges I shoot.

 

Regards,

Gixer.

 

That's quite true likewise ranges are often mis stated. BUT remember most .22 targets are shot with open sights in comp. top flight target shooters actually travel to test ammo at the manufacturers then they use a scope and expect to produce a single hole and buy in massive quantity of that batch. Friends on the international circuit used to travel to Germany etc just for this very pupose (dont try asking for thier FAC allowances though ) 100 yds outdoors is a world of difference with the .22 everything has to be spot on, wind, barrel at optimum and the best ammo for the gun. 50 yds good indoor prone shooters using open sights can achieve sufficient stds to hit say a rabbits eyeball every shot out of 20- but just dont expect them to shoot that twenty before half the spectators have got bored and gone home

have a look at rimfire bench rest results (easy enough to search) to judge what the guns and ammo can do

1" at 75 is actually quite good shooting outdoors, especially in field conditions and stances. remember the average sub moves 4" at 100yds in a F.v 10mph wind so thats 1" at 2.5mph FV and 1/2" at 1.25 mph. Now if you can detect the ins and outs of such a light wind your way better than me. one day though...... Decide weather your measuring the equipment, the conditions or the shooter

 

Shooting rifles realy well dont just take practice, it takes perfect practice and training or coaching depending on were you are at personally and consideration on were you want to be personally

[gixer1]

That's quite true likewise ranges are often mis stated. BUT remember most .22 targets are shot with open sights in comp. top flight target shooters actually travel to test ammo at the manufacturers then they use a scope and expect to produce a single hole and buy in massive quantity of that batch. Friends on the international circuit used to travel to Germany etc just for this very pupose (dont try asking for thier FAC allowances though ) 100 yds outdoors is a world of difference with the .22 everything has to be spot on, wind, barrel at optimum and the best ammo for the gun. 50 yds good indoor prone shooters using open sights can achieve sufficient stds to hit say a rabbits eyeball every shot out of 20- but just dont expect them to shoot that twenty before half the spectators have got bored and gone home

have a look at rimfire bench rest results (easy enough to search) to judge what the guns and ammo can do

1" at 75 is actually quite good shooting outdoors, especially in field conditions and stances. remember the average sub moves 4" at 100yds in a F.v 10mph wind so thats 1" at 2.5mph FV and 1/2" at 1.25 mph. Now if you can detect the ins and outs of such a light wind your way better than me. one day though...... Decide weather your measuring the equipment, the conditions or the shooter

 

Shooting rifles realy well dont just take practice, it takes perfect practice and training or coaching depending on were you are at personally and consideration on were you want to be personally

 

Yup, and also a perfect set of conditions, if you had a 5mph wind at one point within 100 yards it could change 3 or 4 times over the 100yards depending on terrain.

 

I really think there is too much focus on accuracy when you look back at some of the points on the shooting forums at the moment- yes, accuracy is important but most rifles will be perfectly acceptable for sporting/hunting/stalking purposes out of the box full stop, it would be rare to see a centrefire shoot outside of what is considered the requirement for sporting accuracy if all is as it should be with the action, stock, barrel and sight/scope.

 

Enjoy shooting and hunting and play with groups by all means, but take what you read with a pinch of salt.

 

 

Edit - also the test article was infancy shot with a scoped rifle so I would say that's the benchmark - its fair to say a lot of competition is won or lost on luck.

 

Regards,

Gixer

Edited June 27, 2012 by gixer1

[jamiedenny]

Spoke with Edgar and the barrel should not be floating as the synthetic stock is flexible.

I fully agree that there is much more than pinpoint accuracy and 90% of my time is spent hunting not paper punching. On the flip side there is also nothing wrong with trying to get the best results possible. More confidence in your kit leads to a more confident shoot.

I appreciate everyone's comments, helps put things into perspective.

[kent]

Yup, and also a perfect set of conditions, if you had a 5mph wind at one point within 100 yards it could change 3 or 4 times over the 100yards depending on terrain.

 

I really think there is too much focus on accuracy when you look back at some of the points on the shooting forums at the moment- yes, accuracy is important but most rifles will be perfectly acceptable for sporting/hunting/stalking purposes out of the box full stop, it would be rare to see a centrefire shoot outside of what is considered the requirement for sporting accuracy if all is as it should be with the action, stock, barrel and sight/scope.

 

Enjoy shooting and hunting and play with groups by all means, but take what you read with a pinch of salt.

 

 

Edit - also the test article was infancy shot with a scoped rifle so I would say that's the benchmark - its fair to say a lot of competition is won or lost on luck.

 

Regards,

Gixer

 

Isn't it weird how some seem to land all the luck though Groups are fairly meaningless in hunting as you only get one shot generally. More perhaps to do with knowing your limitations on that shot. And as for wind give me a tail or head wind thats blowing at say a steady 5mph anyday over a sidewind. The question however was "group size"

[kent]

Spoke with Edgar and the barrel should not be floating as the synthetic stock is flexible.

I fully agree that there is much more than pinpoint accuracy and 90% of my time is spent hunting not paper punching. On the flip side there is also nothing wrong with trying to get the best results possible. More confidence in your kit leads to a more confident shoot.

I appreciate everyone's comments, helps put things into perspective.

 

I should't worry about the free float too much on a .22 lr. Personally i don't feel its a big issue unless you lean on a bipod with it.

[wymberley]

Spoke with Edgar and the barrel should not be floating as the synthetic stock is flexible.

I fully agree that there is much more than pinpoint accuracy and 90% of my time is spent hunting not paper punching. On the flip side there is also nothing wrong with trying to get the best results possible. More confidence in your kit leads to a more confident shoot.

I appreciate everyone's comments, helps put things into perspective.

 

If you removed all the words bar one from this thread and that was one of yours, you'd be left with the only thing of consequence.

[Redgum]

front "action" screw actually attaches to a dovetailed lug on the barrel on the varmint

On some varmints it does and on others it don't.

 

If its not floating down to the lug then sandpaper around a piece of 15mm copper tube and take abit out of the barrel channel until its free.

[kent]

On some varmints it does and on others it don't.

 

If its not floating down to the lug then sandpaper around a piece of 15mm copper tube and take abit out of the barrel channel until its free.

 

is it not just the WMR and HMR that dont have the dovetailed lug? thats my own experiance from owning a few of these. It makes not a jot if you sandpaper a clearance up to the point IMO, i do believe there is a torque sweet spot for tightening it though