cwb4321 Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Hello, I am looking to start up a clay pigeon club up at my school in the dorset area! There is quite a few shooters in my school but I wish to make so it has school shooters and is also an open club so for example parents can join. We should theoretically have the land so we would be looking to get traps of our own.. so what do I need to do to make it legal? I have a teacher which would be in charge as I am not old enough yet to supervise. any help would be appreciated thanks CHarlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAL S Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 first get planning permission and see the police and insurance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) Planning permission only if you plan on shooting more than 28 days per year. you will need a section 11(6) exemption certificate from the police to allow non certificate holders to shoot, bearing in mind that the section 11 doesnt allow the same person to shoot on a regular basis without a certificate, they are for come and try days really. Insurance is a must, try a company called Bluefin, thats who we use. Be prepared for a lot of flack from people who dont want a shooting club at a school Noise issues? how far is your proposed ground from houses and the like, (take into consideration fall out from shot) You may want to insist on fibre wad cartridges only, Good luck, Keep us updated Edited August 27, 2012 by shaun4860 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb4321 Posted August 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Thanks you there is plenty of land so fall out is no problem! and yes we will shoot less than 28 times a year. I was also think fibre wads as I wouldn't get it past the head otherwise haha. Say a few pupils from school wanted to shoot in the club to practise for schools challenge but didn't have a licence how would I get around that would the school need to have a licence or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaun4860 Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) The actual wording for the section 11(6) is as follows "The authority does not apply to shoots involving live game, nor is it to provide opportunity for regular shooting persons who do not possess shotgun certificates, It is however subject to the following conditions: All un-certified shooters will, at all times, be under responsible and effective supervision Adequate measures must be taken, so far as it is practicable, for the safety of persons taking part in the shoot and spectators All shotguns when not in actual use must be kept in a secure place which will prevent access to them by any unauthorised persons" The grey area is how often "regular" is You need to run it past your head first and see if he will come on board as if he objects then its a non starter, As far as I'm aware the school wont get a licence to allow it other than subject to the above ALL proper shooting grounds will have a section 11(6) Edited August 27, 2012 by shaun4860 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Sounds like a great idea, OddJob has done similar at a school where he works so worth getting the teacher to contact him. A school club does not need its own land so there may be existing clay grounds locally and instructors who would help out... The cost of traps etc is high unless you have £££££ to spend better to start off with a mini bus and some help, than try and fund buying of equipment etc! Cheaper to take the students to a clay ground than bring a clay ground to the school. If you can find somone with access to some traps and get permission to use the school land and a temp 11(6) like they get for game fairs you could have a "have a go" event on school land. The fact Pete Wilson is local and could be convinced to come along and perhaps bring his GOLD medal will probably sell it to the Head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb4321 Posted August 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 ah yes thank you but the closest one is about half an hour away and my school just doesn't have that time so it would be best if it was on our land! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 ah yes thank you but the closest one is about half an hour away and my school just doesn't have that time so it would be best if it was on our land! Half an hour is nothing compared tot he costs and issues of having one on the school land and something worth investigating further as you will have several potential issues with it being at the school as i said if you know someone with Traps (you know Abby Burton?) then its possible with the correct permissions but a lot of hassle. Compared to an hours round trip to set up ground. Keep us informed as to how you get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb4321 Posted August 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 I understand what you are say( and thank you very much for the information) however having it onsite would attract more attention as I am planning for it to be a open club. For example we have a open golf club and an open fitness centre and so on! I think it would be beneficial for the school but thanks for the idea I will think hard about it. Also yes I know abbey but from taunton down to bournemouth is a quite a long drive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) See what the teacher has to say but unless you have access to lots of funding for gear I can't see it getting off the ground a decent trap is £1000+ cheap ones are £500 to run a sporting shoot you'll need at least 6-10 stands 12-20 traps............then clays, cages, wiring, staff to operate them, load them storage for cartridges and guns. Instructors, insurance, etc etc Traps get stolen as do the batteries so you need secure storage and to get them in and out left out in the rain they rust etc (lots of sporting grounds leave them out but also have staff who take them in strip and repair them and put them back out regularly) OR hire a minibus and go 30 minutes up the road.............. IT can be open (how do you cover the costs of clays and carts?) just limited by number of seats on the bus Edited August 27, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb4321 Posted August 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 those are good points and i am looking at about 4/5 traps just like a small club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Hi I help with oddjob at the school and the clay shooting club has been a real bonus and positive for the school. We shoot at the local Clay shooting ground "Fennes" who offer us prefferential rates, and it is, guess what, 25 minutes from the School by minibus. Your money would be better invested in equipment (guns, ear defenders qualified coaches, etc for the club pupils) than in equipment such as traps. You will need more than 5/6 traps to have a testing and interesting shoot that would encourage shooters to come along. Start small and grow, not big and shrink. Terry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borich Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 I'm a town planner and if you need any planning help or advice pm me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb4321 Posted August 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 Here another question then: If I was to start a club which went to a shooting ground what sort of things would my school need to do or have? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) Here another question then: If I was to start a club which went to a shooting ground what sort of things would my school need to do or have? Money, Parental consent, usual field trip stuff. Transport, supervision pretty much the same stuff you need for an away Cricket/football/rugby match Ground should be able to provide everything else. IF you can find a staff member prepared to put in the effort a coach or 2 and a willing ground which help not too much to it. A parent or 2 to help out and if possible a big name to get some momentum (Like a gold medal winning local shooter). SOme sponsotship helps particularly some cartridge costs or loan of equipment. Edited August 27, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb4321 Posted August 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 thanks alot HDAV you have changed my mind! will now be looking at that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bakerboy Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 (edited) Here another question then: If I was to start a club which went to a shooting ground what sort of things would my school need to do or have? At this point you should be speaking directly to Neal "oddjob" he has been there. done it and got the Skeet Vest's. Edited August 27, 2012 by bakerboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 At this point you should be speaking directly to Neal "oddjob" he has been there. done it and got the Skeet Vest's. IF CWB has a willing staff member get them to contact Neal, he has all the details and had a very impressive time at the schools challenge........ This is exactly what we need more of and I am sure once the ball is rolling BASC/CPSA will be able to assist as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OddJob Posted August 27, 2012 Report Share Posted August 27, 2012 I've read this and will respond to your pm. I had very similar thoughts to start with. Let's see what we can do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 SO how is the progress on setting up a clay club? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb4321 Posted September 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 I have considered this more closely and have decided not to start one as it would be about another £300 a term which i would rather spend on my trap shooting than sporting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 I have considered this more closely and have decided not to start one as it would be about another £300 a term which i would rather spend on my trap shooting than sporting That's a shame, particularly for others who may not get chance elsewhere, besides who said it had to be a sporting shoot? could be skeet or trap. The "Schools Challenge" is a sporting shoot. Sportign is more popular amongst the masses but a trap bird is just a going away bird..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwb4321 Posted September 3, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 I know that however the closest place to shoot skeet or trap is over an hour away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDAV Posted September 3, 2012 Report Share Posted September 3, 2012 (edited) Worth investigating the options for a group activity even if it is sporting. Afterall this isn't about you shooting you already shoot but encouraging others to give it a go... Edited September 3, 2012 by HDAV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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