scubadog Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 (edited) After using some Nobelsport A1 cartridges last season I am hoping to roll my own and replicate the shells as close as possible. The A1's come in 35 gramm number 5s. I have some vectan A1 powder but can only find the below recipies that go up to 32 gramms. cx2000 32 grams 1.5 gramms powder 600 bar Does any one have a recipie for 35 gramm (1 1/4 ounce)? Cheers Edited November 4, 2012 by scubadog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 what pressure is yr gun proofed to it will tell you on the barrels and what wad are you going to use?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubadog Posted November 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Z2M wad. standard 3inch - 750 bars i think. None of my guns have pressure stamped on them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 (edited) Edited Edited November 4, 2012 by sitsinhedges Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 i only have some for fiber wads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubadog Posted November 4, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 Thanks for the help fellas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruitloop Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 dont you hate it when the font goes from medium to large to small Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 4, 2012 Report Share Posted November 4, 2012 first A1 isnt the best powder for 35 grams of shot. all the data points to classic 32g only. if you want to use A1 and 36g loads then i`m afraid speed isnt what you are after. A1 is more suited to slow speed 36g. and normal 32g loads and fast-er 28gram loads of lead. there are better powders available for 36g loads that give lower pressures and higher speeds. cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 He needs A1 36. ......or A0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 He needs A1 36. ......or A0. yup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubadog Posted November 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Like i said quite clearly in the first post (i shal even re post if for you in larger font) After using some Nobelsport A1 cartridges last season I am hoping to roll my own and replicate the shells as close as possible. This means that i was happy using the A1 as a cartridge, weather that be slow or fast I dont realy care!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitsinhedges Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Like i said quite clearly in the first post (i shal even re post if for you in larger font) After using some Nobelsport A1 cartridges last season I am hoping to roll my own and replicate the shells as close as possible. This means that i was happy using the A1 as a cartridge, weather that be slow or fast I dont realy care!!!!! Have you tried taking one apart and replicating the contents type and weight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 (edited) Like i said quite clearly in the first post (i shal even re post if for you in larger font) After using some Nobelsport A1 cartridges last season I am hoping to roll my own and replicate the shells as close as possible. This means that i was happy using the A1 as a cartridge, weather that be slow or fast I dont realy care!!!!! ....but, with respect, do you know what you are doing? Edited November 5, 2012 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanky Posted November 5, 2012 Report Share Posted November 5, 2012 Anyway this is what you need - 36g lead load CX2000 primer 25grain A1 B&P Z18 wad 70mm case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Like i said quite clearly in the first post (i shal even re post if for you in larger font) After using some Nobelsport A1 cartridges last season I am hoping to roll my own and replicate the shells as close as possible. This means that i was happy using the A1 as a cartridge, weather that be slow or fast I dont realy care!!!!! now i`m slightly confused, you want to replicate a cartridge? but dont care if its fast or slow? i get it, you have a nice shell and toy want to copy. why dont you get one of your nobelsport A1 shells and tell us what the lead weight / shotsize , wad type and powder type and weight... then we have a start. and yes your gun should have a pressure stam on them, if not there are some serious issues there, are you adament and 100% sure that the powder isnt A1-36? or A1 ? if you want to shoot 36g loads then just ask for a 36g recipe. there would be 100s available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 There are several powders in the 'A1' family as there are in the 'D20' range. A1 Sp (A1 Special) is slower and used for heavier loads, however, in appearance, it is identical to A1 (Malachite green). Cutting open a shell and looking at the colour of the powder will give you an idea, BUT you can cut open one shell and think you have a D20 variant and it could be a CSB variant like CSB5. On that note, how many disc powders LOOK ALIKE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 There are several powders in the 'A1' family as there are in the 'D20' range. A1 Sp (A1 Special) is slower and used for heavier loads, however, in appearance, it is identical to A1 (Malachite green). Cutting open a shell and looking at the colour of the powder will give you an idea, BUT you can cut open one shell and think you have a D20 variant and it could be a CSB variant like CSB5. On that note, how many disc powders LOOK ALIKE? alot look similar, and it would be suicide just guessing powders ! atleast it would give him a wad type, but i`m assuming it would be a wad he cant get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubadog Posted November 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) ohhh my god! Yes I know what I am doing. No the pressures are not stamped! There is no serious problem with this thats the way they are - they are standard 70mm proofed! I happen to know that the A1 uses the powder A1 Thanks for those who actually gave a nice simple answear. No thanks to those flim flamer's (coockoff) who are just wasting time and ether! If you have the answear and are willing to share please do so - if not I do not have the time nor inclanation to hear your 100 reasons why its not the "best powder" (if i wanted to know others I would have asked) 100 different powders i could use (if i wanted to know others I would have asked). 100 different other recipies (if i wanted to know others I would have asked) or any other bilge you are spouting. (if i wanted to know I would have asked) Do you see the common theme?? Edited November 6, 2012 by scubadog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian28 Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Think there trying to tell you something , like A1 is no good for 35 gram and it wont be A1 in those cartridges you have been using. But with your attitude why bother asking for advice in the first place ohhh my god! Yes I know what I am doing. No the pressures are not stamped! There is no serious problem with this thats the way they are - they are standard 70mm proofed! I happen to know that the A1 uses the powder A1 Thanks for those who actually gave a nice simple answear. No thanks to those flim flamer's (coockoff) who are just wasting time and ether! If you have the answear and are willing to share please do so - if not I do not have the time nor inclanation to hear your 100 reasons why its not the "best powder" (if i wanted to know others I would have asked) 100 different powders i could use (if i wanted to know others I would have asked). 100 different other recipies (if i wanted to know others I would have asked) or any other bilge you are spouting. (if i wanted to know I would have asked) Do you see the common theme?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubadog Posted November 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 Think there trying to tell you something , like A1 is no good for 35 gram and it wont be A1 in those cartridges you have been using. But with your attitude why bother asking for advice in the first place ermmmm I happen to KNOW it is the powder in the cartridges!! (honestly do i need to repeat myself every time) I asked because I didnt have the recipie to hand. Thanks to two other people they have passed me a verified recipie....so as you can see IT IS OKAY TO USE A1 on 35 gram!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted November 6, 2012 Report Share Posted November 6, 2012 (edited) Looking back through my records and those of Nobelsport, THERE ARE two 36 gram loads suggested using A1 with a medium 686 primer. (CX 1000). One for plastic, one for fibre. The type of plastic wad is not specified. Edited November 7, 2012 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 ohhh my god! Yes I know what I am doing. No the pressures are not stamped! There is no serious problem with this thats the way they are - they are standard 70mm proofed! I happen to know that the A1 uses the powder A1 Thanks for those who actually gave a nice simple answear. No thanks to those flim flamer's (coockoff) who are just wasting time and ether! If you have the answear and are willing to share please do so - if not I do not have the time nor inclanation to hear your 100 reasons why its not the "best powder" (if i wanted to know others I would have asked) 100 different powders i could use (if i wanted to know others I would have asked). 100 different other recipies (if i wanted to know others I would have asked) or any other bilge you are spouting. (if i wanted to know I would have asked) Do you see the common theme?? are you trying to tell me something? just to re-itterate A1 still isnt the best powder for 36grams of lead shot, if i recolect it is a suitable candidate for subsonic 36g in 12gauge, as has been stated there are a few recipes around, it is far from ideal in that 36g situation. also i personally avoid data where cx1000 or cx50 primers are used. it still puzzles me why the data for these primers still exist, because reducing the powder charge, is a better alternate to sourcing a new primer component. you`ll probly end up having to use cx2000 or 616 anyway. the second point as A1 isnt the best application of 36g in 12gauge, and the information you can co-elate from both the cartridge box of your A1 cartridges will have an extremely over estimated speed. say you make and chrono your A1 load, it wont ever get near the quoted box speed, but infact a quoted from the data if it actually has the FPS data. so who are you going to believe? cartridge box, DATA, or your own indipendent tests? you could even have your own cartridges tested and get the same answer, A1 isnt good for 36g loads. the point that a few of us have tried to make is, it is easyer to make 36g loads with A0. doesnt it make you wonder why even the manufacturer only states 32g loads?? even i have seen poor quality data privately sourced. i wad given a 36g subsonic load produced with reddot ! thats a real fast burner, faster than even vectan AS. pressure was way up in the maximum of saami specs. just because its written down, dont mean its any good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floating Chamber Posted November 7, 2012 Report Share Posted November 7, 2012 (edited) CX1000 are as common as muck, up here, Cook. The wad in question would be of the Aquila type. It is from a 1993 table of loads. Edited November 7, 2012 by Floating Chamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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