JonathanL Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Key point for me is: "But the recommendation was overruled by two more senior members of the Firearms Licensing Unit, who, the report said, feared the force would lose any subsequent appeal by Atherton as he had never been convicted of an offence". So how experienced and knowledgeable were these people then? Just out of kindergarten where they? You keep saying "NO" to a lot of posts to people on here including me. The fact is you and I know nothing about anything to do with this other than the stuff you've read in press releases. I side with the Police who in the main do a damn fine job. We will see in time and until some clever ****** comes up with a way to stop stupid ******** killing people with guns we all live on a whim and a prayer. You are quite correct that we have not seen the report and more detail will inevitably come out. However, unless there was more behind the decision not to refuse then I will remain on the side that it was a wrong decision, as BASC have said. If the police granted the application on the grounds that they could not refuse because he had not been convicted of anything then they were wrong. J. hallelujah the voice of reason, these people make the decisions based on a rule book the facts were one caution and not a lot else they could actually hold against him. We start acting on rumours and its going to get messy for a lot of people Police 999 calls to his address for drunken domestic incidents were hardly 'rumours'. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 now you are on dodgy ground suggesting grants be turned down on rumour and speculation, thats a very dangerous thing to ask for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 hallelujah the voice of reason, these people make the decisions based on a rule book the facts were one caution and not a lot else they could actually hold against him. We start acting on rumours and its going to get messy for a lot of people Rejoice Al4x. ! Indeed there should be more research done on this by those competent to do it. It's serious, very serious when folk are killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 whats really bugging people is not having the information so we make a decision based on half the facts and hang draw and quarter people cleared through the official channels. Then there starts a media witch hunt based on half the information much akin to the SAS idiot. There are questions that need to be answered but many many shooting people have fall outs with their partner and many have the police called, if the partner then says they over reacted and have no injuries etc then all you have is an argument which people have. The officers attending were happy enough not to charge him, I know people whose partners have maliciously called 999 during break ups it happens especially if they know you value your guns. So we're saying those people should loose their tickets for good I personally think that is ******** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 You are quite correct that we have not seen the report and more detail will inevitably come out. However, unless there was more behind the decision not to refuse then I will remain on the side that it was a wrong decision, as BASC have said. If the police granted the application on the grounds that they could not refuse because he had not been convicted of anything then they were wrong. Don't patronise me Sir. I would like to know the previous experience the Officers in question had in the courts. Had they put forward other "cases" they thought should be rejected only to be told something like "no conviction it's OK"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 now you are on dodgy ground suggesting grants be turned down on rumour and speculation, thats a very dangerous thing to ask for I'm not. His caution for violence is not rumour nor speculation because it exists. The police calls to his house were not rumour and I haven't heard anything from anyone suggesting that there was no substance to them. Like I said. I may be wrong. Given that the report is known to state that there were greivous and inexcusable errors on the part of Durham police though I very much doubt it. J. J. Don't patronise me Sir. Care to point to where I have? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitebridges Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Care to point to where I have? J. "You are quite correct that we have not seen the report and more detail will inevitably come out." Idiot. While you are at it. Fill in where you are from in your profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 "You are quite correct that we have not seen the report and more detail will inevitably come out." Idiot. Err, sorry but I complety fail to see what the problem is here. I think you've taken this in the wrong way, to be honest. While you are at it. Fill in where you are from in your profile. Why? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted November 21, 2012 Report Share Posted November 21, 2012 Well then I'll expect to see more firearms being seized after even the most minor verbal domestic from now then. They have....in what number I don't know though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBLATCH Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 They have....in what number I don't know though. to me that seems to be that D.C are doing their job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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