Rooks, Crows and Jackdaws.

[moorvale55]

Just had a pint with my son at a pub just below a shoot we have on the Staffordshire Moorlands / Derbyshire border. The pub sits under a hill, half way up the hill is an old wood, having been out to my car I could not believe the noise of corvids coming in to roost. Hundreds and hundreds of them. So on Saturday it's HW80k, 12 bore and 410. Lets help the ewes to lamb. They have had enough trouble in the snow we have had, although the roads are now passable we still have drifts of 8 to 10 feet in places and still down to one lane width.

[kent]

I hope that's not your reason under the general licence for Rook and Jackdaw because I doubt one of those has ever harmed a lamb or ewe. Crows Ok Ravens sure But the latter is not legal to shoot

[Bluebarrels]

I hope that's not your reason under the general licence for Rook and Jackdaw because I doubt one of those has ever harmed a lamb or ewe. Crows Ok Ravens sure But the latter is not legal to shoot

Sorry maybe it's me but I don't get your post!! whether they harm lambs etc isn't the point they are still

murdering ******** and he is well within his rights to shoot them in fact this is the time of year when we should be thinning the corvids out to give the ground nesting birds/song birds a chance BB

Edited April 1, 2013 by Bluebarrels

[turbo33]

I hope that's not your reason under the general licence for Rook and Jackdaw because I doubt one of those has ever harmed a lamb or ewe. Crows Ok Ravens sure But the latter is not legal to shoot

 

With the exception of Ravens, which is irrelevant, Rooks, Crows and Jackdaws are well covered under the general licence. Ask a sheep farmer aboiut lambs and corvids I've had clients with injuries to adult horses with pecking damage to them including Jackdaws. Its a known fact that corvids go for eyes in particular, its the main reason gundog owners don't take the dog with them when out after corvids.

 

General Licence: " To prevent serious damage or disease, To preserve public health or public safety, to conserve flora and fauna ( including wild birds)

 

Crack on Moorvale. you are well covered,

Edited April 1, 2013 by turbo33

[evo]

100% totaly agree with BB and Turbo,,you crack on mate the less we have of them the better,makes me wonder sometimes why certain people rant on about things when there is no need, shoot as many as you can mate,i,ve seen the damage they can do first hand

[retromlc]

100% totaly agree with BB and Turbo,,you crack on mate the less we have of them the better,makes me wonder sometimes why certain people rant on about things when there is no need, shoot as many as you can mate,i,ve seen the damage they can do first hand

+1 i shoot them when I can.

[kent]

With the exception of Ravens, which is irrelevant, Rooks, Crows and Jackdaws are well covered under the general licence. Ask a sheep farmer aboiut lambs and corvids I've had clients with injuries to adult horses with pecking damage to them including Jackdaws. Its a known fact that corvids go for eyes in particular, its the main reason gundog owners don't take the dog with them when out after corvids.

 

General Licence: " To prevent serious damage or disease, To preserve public health or public safety, to conserve flora and fauna ( including wild birds)

 

Crack on Moorvale. you are well covered,

Well if you stated your reason as the OP has you would be in breech of the general licence you also have to have considered non-lethal means and a jackdaw or a rook haven't the equipment or were with all or history to harm lambs or ewes. Quite obviously another breech from the OP and others. I have nothing against control of corvids in fact the total reverse but get your facts right or loose the facility for us all, simple as Know the law, it only takes one question from someone who does and yes it happens.

[turbo33]

Kent, quite simply the OP and the rest of us are fully entitled to kill the above corvids under the terms of the general licence. The fact the OP sited lambs and ewes being a reason falls within the GL below:

 

THE PURPOSE(S) FOR WHICH THIS LICENCE APPLIES

1. Subject to paragraph 2 and the licence conditions, this licence is granted to:

(i) Prevent serious damage to livestock, foodstuffs for livestock, crops, vegetables, fruit, growing

timber, fisheries or inland waters, and

(ii) Prevent the spread of disease.

 

The OP doesn't have to prove they are actually doing it at that time, as the clue is in 1(i) prevent. Thats how we are "allowed" to roost shoot pigeon, shoot them over stubble etc, we are preventing them from damaging crops.

I admire you're tenacity for sticking to the letter of the law, the fact is they are on the list. We all know the non lethal part is a farce, as with the exception of a few anti pigeon devices on rape and possibly the odd gas banger on barley, thats all that can be done from a practical point of view. Its a well supported fact that shooting is the most effective form of preventative control.

Edited April 1, 2013 by turbo33

[kent]

If challenged and answered in such a fashion the OP would be in the mire. That's a fact and we should all acquaint ourselves with how the GL works as "all birds are protected" Your reasons must be clear and accurate.