Big Dog Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 I would appreciate some feedback on this. I live in N. Ireland. All guns are FAC controled. Therefore, no one buys 12ft/lb air rifles they are mostly buying PCP FAC grade 28-30ft/lbs. I have very specifix needs. I want an air rifle to shoot mostly in barns, feral pigeons. I don't want to buy a low powered gun as I will never be able to sell it (no demand). I cant use a full powered either as it is dangerous and would also damage the barn cladding. I read somewhere that Air Arms do an adjustable power or pressure S410, it goes from 7 - 30 ft/lbs. Is this correct? I have looked at their website and can't see anthing. What are you thought on this gun if it exists? Anyone got one?? What is the proper model details on this so I kow what to ask for at my dealer?? If it exists, does it come in both standard and caribine? Also if what do you air guys recommend as a scope for such and gun and shooting environment? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axe Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Not sure about the rifle in question BD, but having a variable power rifle and varying the poswer is gonna cause havoc with your zero! You would be better off getting a rifle set at a power in compromise to what you need. As for the scope a 3-9x40 would be sufficient, Nikko Stirling have a good range of optics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 The rifle I think you are on about is the "s410 Xtra FAC" which is a purpose designed FAC rifle, unsurprisingly the same as the s410, but with regulated FAC power. As far as I remember it will go from about 16-26ft/lb, though I would think with suitable tinkering from someone like Ben Taylor it could be made lower power. I echo what axe says about zero, but then there isn't much else you could do.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08shooter Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 hi big dog i live in ulster too, the gun is an 410 xtra fac, i have the older fixed power version around 30-35 ft lbs . my mate bought the new model but i would be very wary of this one.chopping and changing power levels you will need to the precise place to aim in my opinion very hard.i use 2 .22 air rifles the xtra fac which i only use for 40+yards and then i have a s400 at 12 ft lbs again .22 to use in and around yards.i think that it is easier to know the trajectory of 2 guns rather than 1 i adjust.i think the power wheel is too vague on my mates gun,again my own opinion.i bought the 12 ft lbs i realize there will be no market to resell it but hey i never plan to it is deadly accurate and quiet too,this is another problem with thextra is the noise,i fitted a theoben silencer to quieten mine.they are by all accounts an accurate gun,i don t see the need to fit a regulator wasted money i think. hope this helps if you need any more info just shout me. who do you deal with in co down? have fun by the way aa will do anything theoben do just as well ,at half the price i am currently on over 800 birds to date this year,if it does nt work i don t have it.i am thinking of selling my xtra fac if you are interested just over 2 years old and 99.9 % mint.qd studs and silencer original box and manual . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dog Posted November 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Thanks guys for the help. I got an email from Air Arms and they said the gun I am talking about is their model S410 Xtra High power model, with a power adjuster, moved between 7-30 ft lbs in .22 calibre. The rifle has a shrouded barrel with a built-in silencer system, no external silencer is available in addition. When you guys are talking about zero problems am I right to assume that you mean if you are changing power it throws it off As I would be keeping it at a fixed low power I assume this will not have zero problems verminshooter29 - D Mc Cloy Toome, Tannyoky Guns Pointspass or Air Arms dealer Loughview Guns in Downpatrick Is it a lot of work to set a standard rifle down in power. Basically I want a safe gun to shoot inside barns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Yep BD, if you zero at one power and don't touch it, it will be fine. People were suggesting if you vary the power your POI would be off until you re-zeroed for that power.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Ofcourse you could just try the BTAS rifle the Cyclone (correct name?) that has 3 adjustable settings from new. Yes it will still have zeroing issues but at least you know the gun will be sorted from day one and designed to be adjustable. However if you need a lower power gun then just get a sperate one, yes it will be a bit more hassle but at least it will be doing what it is designed for and not just a compramise. As for resale value then buy right first time and you won't want to sell it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-6 Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 Big dog I have an AA s410 Extra FAC and a AA s200, I can understand what you say about the FAC rule, but it seems a bit silly to me to buy a gun capable of high power levels and only using the low power. A s200 is £200 odd (£60 for a 10 shot mag adapter), against a s410 FAC £500 odd. Buy the s200 and just keep it, power level on a s200 is about 10.5 ft/lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08shooter Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 big dog iwhen i used the xtra round yards and barns i fed it hollowpoints these did not riccochet and i felt this to be the safer option.as for the dealers these i think are some of the dearest in the country man in toome i don t think is switched on about air rifles at all 2 miles down the road from me and i never use him.downpatrick will try and sell you a hw100 fac as he is the importer all be it it is a brilliant gun and absolutely the quietest i have ever heard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dog Posted November 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 verminshooter29 who would you recommend then Why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08shooter Posted November 23, 2006 Report Share Posted November 23, 2006 maryland might be worth a try , as i said downpatrick will try to push you away from air arms and daystate which i reckon is also a great contender,are you really sure you want to go variable power.a lot of people will tell you that the xtra fac is less sought after as you can t thread fit a silencer,they say it is long and un balanced,possibly true to an extent but it is every bit as accurate as anything else out there at a better price. my furthest hit was a maggie at 87 yds. i know what these guns can do.don t rule out buying hi power and using hollow points i used them it left them like corn flakes.country sports and tackle in antrim would be worth a look too,but he does nt always have a lot in stock but could get anything you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-6 Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 verminshooter29 Three questions What power levels are you shooting the hollow points with, and what brand of hollow points are you using, and at what ranges? I have always read that you need a heavier pellet out of an FAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
08shooter Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 yeshi there,bisley pest control weigh in at 17 odd grains suit my rifle out to about 35 yds good for round barns.i used to use magnums but now i use aa fields in 5.52.amazing flat and very fast,accupels were too light and wavered at 50 plus most pellets are good out to 40 odd.aa fields as i say i use to 60 plus . have fun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Dog Posted November 26, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 I know what your saying 30-6. I hadn't thought of the £££s implication. I just want a safe gun for barn shooting and one that won't damage the tin, well not to bad. What the stars start to appear when your shooting at ferals the farmers arn't impressed I have a .22LR so don't need range past 40yrds with an air rifle. I guess a 10ft/lbs would do and then give it to my boys when they get older and power up then if needed. That open up a lot now, that if my dealers will bring in a low power gun What guns would you pick out of,say you top 5 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30-6 Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 Verminshooter29 I can see you have a AA 400 which I believe is a single shot so it is ok to shoot the bisley pest control, but I think I tried them in a AA 410 and they would not feed through the mag because of their length, I will have another look and try them. I use AA fields 5.51 or 5.52 in th 410 and the 200 for rabbit and squirrel and RWS Super H Points on the rats in the 200. I'm going to try Bisley magnums in the 410 at some point, i've used them in the 200 on rats out to 20 yds and they are great, changed to the RWS because they were going straight through sometimes. Bigdog If your on a budget go for a AA s200 with the optional 10 shot mag and silencer ( I shopped around and found Ramsbottom the cheapest), or if you could go a little more get a AA s400 or s410 carbine. A 10 shot is really handy though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeye ive Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Just to make a valid point about the S410 XTRA FAC being unsuitable for varied power which in my opinion is just a unnessessary marketing ploy .It has a power band .My model starts at 32 ft lb (915 fps) and builds up to 35 ft lb (975 fps) before dropping back down to 32 ft lb's .....and this is all over 35 - 40 shots .Putting variable power in that equation would be a nightmare Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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