What is the average price for 1 acre?

[BRNDL]

Ok,

 

I have been watching some wheat fields near my house and have noticed copious amounts of damage to the crop from what I guess is Pigeon. I reckon that over one field of, at a guess 60 acres 3 acres have been flattened completely.

Over the five fields I feel around 12 acres are a right off. (very rough estimates)

 

I have knocked at the farm but the Gent has a syndicate of 4 pigeon shooters on his land so no shooting for me.

 

My question is, what is a 1 acre area of wheat in terms of income for a farmer?

 

Pigeon syndicate at a guess £250 a year a 4 = £1k income

12 acres of hammered crop is a loss of 12 x £?

 

Me and a friend James, also a PW member clapped around 600 off one field last friday!

 

Thanks, BRNDL

[Kes]

I believe its 6 tons to the acre for a good yield. So 6*12 = 72 @ maybe 150 per acre - so maybe £10,500 ?

Compared to the income its a loss but even losses can be useful - depends what else is going on in his business?

[dan12345]

It's 3 tonnes to the acre good going at £180 tonne

3*£180 = £540

12* £580 = £6960

[BRNDL]

I don't have much of a clue on the business really, how can a loss be beneficial?

 

I understand that even with me shooting there is still going to be a loss, but these syndicate members hardly shoot!! I have seen them 2 times this year!

 

Would it be a civilised approach to be quoting average crop losses angling towards shooting permission or should I just spend my days looking on in awe think "what if" haha.

[Cranfield]

Unless nothing has grown at all, I doubt that 12 acres are a write-off, even flattened (dry and ripe) wheat can be harvested.

 

I wouldn't question the farmer's judgement to his face, but I suggest that during the winter if the pigeons are on his crops, go and knock on the door and ask if you can shoot them, just for that day.

I have done this a few times in the past and eventually gained full time permission, by shooting odd days when the birds are there, but the "syndicate" isn't.

[BRNDL]

Ah ok, so the combine will still collect flattened wheat. That makes sense, so the famer has not lost considerable amounts.

 

Yes I was thinking about winter - Cranfield I may just do that. Thanks

[NickB65]

I don't have much of a clue on the business really, how can a loss be beneficial?

 

I understand that even with me shooting there is still going to be a loss, but these syndicate members hardly shoot!! I have seen them 2 times this year!

 

Would it be a civilised approach to be quoting average crop losses angling towards shooting permission or should I just spend my days looking on in awe think "what if" haha.

I would not question the farmers decision and if there is a syndicate then they may not just be shooting pigeons but may also be using the land for pheasant shooting. Have a similar issue on a copse next to a field I perm on - the farmer ants the pigeons roosting in the copse shot but the copse is rented out to a syndicate so the land owner insists I go through the syndicate - the syndicate owner is not interested. So I shoot the fields around it but can it touch the copse. This year we lost half the field of rape to the sodding pigeons - the syndicate owner just moans if I get too close to his pheasants.

 

Try and find out who is in the syndicate and if they are not into pigeon shooting then offer to,help out and in pay for a little pigeon shiooting.

[BRNDL]

Thanks for that.

 

The syndicate is a pigeon syndicate only. I have spoken to the farmer when I went door knocking for permission.

[rapid basher]

180 yes for average

But not for this year 140 has there is a lot about

And a good year you can get 4/5 ton per acre

(Barley) farmer told me last week he averaged 3.5 ton an acre this year @140per

[garden gun]

BRNDL,

 

This is not the place for a business/accountancy lesson. Safe to say that if the yield covers the cost of seed and fertilizer, combine then it is a "profit" on the field. That may not cover other farm costs or be as much as he might have made had he had a better yield. Then he may be able to write some of the "loss" off against tax, thus helping the overall farm make a bit of money/lot more money. Without more data it is not possible to give a coherent comment. (I am NOT an accountant...............)

[Kes]

BRNDL,

 

This is not the place for a business/accountancy lesson. Safe to say that if the yield covers the cost of seed and fertilizer, combine then it is a "profit" on the field. That may not cover other farm costs or be as much as he might have made had he had a better yield. Then he may be able to write some of the "loss" off against tax, thus helping the overall farm make a bit of money/lot more money. Without more data it is not possible to give a coherent comment. (I am NOT an accountant...............)

I agree, this was my point but I also agree with Cranfield - keep checking esp when they sow and see the farmer again with a picky or a description of numbers.