Totally unacceptable

[Pole Star]

While no one actually knows tha facts and i agree that a big wad of money should not buy wot ever size of bag u want. But sadly that happens.

 

Why should big bags be a thing of the past, goose numbers are up pretty much everywhere, they need to be culled moved on from farmers fields.

 

As long as the populationis rising or stable i don't see wot the problem is, not something i'd ever want to do so i won't but if someone wants to or the farmer needs them shot let them get on with it. Pretty sure the geese won't mind who's holding the gun that the shot comes from. And while in an ideal world it would be good for local guns to have all the shooting locally. But do local guns pay for hotels, bar bills extra fuel etc, esp when coming into some fairly rural parts of scotland in the middle of winter when there is very little other passing tourist or any other trade

 

As deekers hinted earlier, most off the meat (well breast's anyway) will find a home

 

Much of what you say dose have some truth in it Scotslad but goose dumping & numbers boys are a fact but dose this justify the waste ? , we had an old time fowler shooting up here & he told us of a case in Scotland where on a farm he shot on had a huge pile of pinks which the farmer was loading up in a front loader to dump in the hole he dug to get rid of them , he estimated this pile to contain 1500 pinks . Shot by who visiting paying so called wildfowlers ? if these pople are so keen to come to Scotland to shoot geese why are they so afraid to take them away & use them ? the facts are they don't want them & just use them as clay pigeons & that is a shame .

 

As for bringing money into the local economy yes this is true in part but as with the case in Orkney these days the bulk of the money is taken away by these visiting guides & some I have my suspicions dose not even hit the British mainland . ATB Pole Star

Edited October 12, 2013 by Pole Star

[scotslad]

I think t is unfortumate up with u pole star that u have a few rogues in a smallish area where everyone knowes each other with a lot of geese that just happen to be foriegn and there tarring u all with the same brush.

 

I kow there is ways and means to get rid of the goose breasts and i'd guess most off the guides doing this will have a way of moving the meat on. Even responsible guides who are busy will be dealing with a fair ammount of gesse week in week out

 

I am with u also if u want to shoot that ammount of birds/targets u would be far better off going to a clay ground, just the same as some off the larger commercial driven days, just not my thing even if i could afford it.

 

In theory with a goose guide is all taking, ur harvesting a wild population but unlike other wild bird shoots/harvest's (grouse or wild pheas/part) ur not spending any money u earn putting anything back into the geese like habitat work etc, so actually helping them for next years crop

 

Bottom line i don't see how this thread or washing our dirty linen in public really helps us, it will still go on, anti's will still not like us no matter how many or few we think is acceptable for a bag limit. All we have done is give them a shed load of info that they can dig up to use aggainst us.

I have heard plenty off other horror stories of animals being shot and dumped often the cullers wages are paid by the government too and the general public has no idea, must admit wish i never knew this sort off thing went/goes on.

 

Really all we can do as shooters is only go with BASC registered guides and if u hear of any thing complain directly to BASC, shutting off there business is the only way u will change things

[happy.plinker]

Is there enough people on Orkney to eat 700 geese?

 

I'm just saying that I personally wouldn't feel comfortable been part of shooting geese in this way and I don't feel it promotes shooting in a very good light, only my opinion.

I don't think this happened in Orkney, must have been on scottish mainland somewhere,Aberdeenshire maybe. Anyhow it works out at 25 geese each

[Pole Star]

I think t is unfortumate up with u pole star that u have a few rogues in a smallish area where everyone knowes each other with a lot of geese that just happen to be foriegn and there tarring u all with the same brush.

 

I kow there is ways and means to get rid of the goose breasts and i'd guess most off the guides doing this will have a way of moving the meat on. Even responsible guides who are busy will be dealing with a fair ammount of gesse week in week out

 

I am with u also if u want to shoot that ammount of birds/targets u would be far better off going to a clay ground, just the same as some off the larger commercial driven days, just not my thing even if i could afford it.

 

In theory with a goose guide is all taking, ur harvesting a wild population but unlike other wild bird shoots/harvest's (grouse or wild pheas/part) ur not spending any money u earn putting anything back into the geese like habitat work etc, so actually helping them for next years crop

 

Bottom line i don't see how this thread or washing our dirty linen in public really helps us, it will still go on, anti's will still not like us no matter how many or few we think is acceptable for a bag limit. All we have done is give them a shed load of info that they can dig up to use aggainst us.

I have heard plenty off other horror stories of animals being shot and dumped often the cullers wages are paid by the government too and the general public has no idea, must admit wish i never knew this sort off thing went/goes on.

 

Really all we can do as shooters is only go with BASC registered guides and if u hear of any thing complain directly to BASC, shutting off there business is the only way u will change things

 

Agreed Scotslad & the problems here apart from the local greylag populationa are all the freebe types are arriving in greater & greater numbers the last few years & they have heard rumors that the shooting here is all free so go & help your self , there was even a post on pigeon watch by some one which said exactly that about 3 years ago also a shooting farmer friend of mine saw posted on U Tube some time ago film of all the geese that frequent the west mainland & this goon was saying exactly that too !.

 

So no wonder we have been plagued by some of the freebe Solway types . ATB Pole Star

 

 

ps I had some mates who are proper wildfowlers shooting here & a young farmers son not far from me said to my mates , do you want any geese to take away with you lads & they were delighted to take them south as they knew a chap on the way home who wanted some so they were not wasted .

Edited October 12, 2013 by Pole Star