fieldwanderer Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 I'm sure I've seen this asked before but I can't find it - sorry, I don't have much time. I'm just about to head off to a gun shop to buy some bullets and thought I'd check with you guys first; I intend to stock up a bit as I'm feeling a bit flush ( just been paid), can I buy as many as I like as it's not loaded ammunition or am I limited to whatever it says I can buy on my fac? They are expanding (sierra gameking) if it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 Only Target ammo (non expanding) can be bought according to pocket size as bullet heads only. Expanding as regards quantity is classed as per loaded rounds in relation to you allowances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted October 26, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 Thanks kent, that's that idea ruined then. Iirc, I'm allowed to buy 250 - so 200 as it comes in boxes of 100. Still, hopefully 200 will give the local RFD plenty of time to get some in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bewsher500 Posted October 26, 2013 Report Share Posted October 26, 2013 get your allowance upped free variation, do it over the phone they should be able to produce the new FAC and you swap yours over when you pick it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted October 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Thanks bewsher, I'll think about it - 200 should last me a while once I've got the load development sorted but the local RFD is having trouble getting these so I wanted 3 or 400 really seeing as I was driving 80 miles to somewhere that had them in stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 27, 2013 Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Thanks bewsher, I'll think about it - 200 should last me a while once I've got the load development sorted but the local RFD is having trouble getting these so I wanted 3 or 400 really seeing as I was driving 80 miles to somewhere that had them in stock. Yep, get your allowance up but tell them its for re-loading purposes as there is some extra leeway on stock for this. 500 to buy 600 to keep is not extreme as regards bullets on their own, if they were target bullets you could buy 1000's in one go- its just a legislation slip on expanding being classed as ammo from the off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldwanderer Posted October 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2013 Daft really isn't it!? A few years ago when I was well into target shooting I was allowed to buy a lot of .22lr - I can't remember how many exactly but it was well into the thousands (10,000 iirc) so I could have it batch tested and buy plenty - I never did; even at the level I was shooting at, the gains weren't noticeable enough to spend so much in one go (well, not to an apprentice that was on a princely £45 a week ) for the air rifle, H&N would batch test and give 5000 to each squad member each year Just so people thought the top shooters were using their ammunition well, we were, but mostly because it was free Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 Thing is whenever some wacko goes nuts the press always line up on how much ammo they have at home, the fact is even 100 rounds which is the amount in a single box of bullets will make for the most horrific mass killing in the wrong hands. I fail to see any relevance to public safety in how much ammo we can buy, if anyone was dumb enough to supply criminals with ammo then they are risking very extreme penalties for very little potential gain and its not like the crooks spend a lot of time practicing, it might be interesting to know how many rounds you average gangster uses I bet its not many and could be brought in with the handguns and drugs etc anyhow. Meanwhile money and time / resourse spent on controlling the most law abiding section of our community is penalised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Only Target ammo (non expanding) can be bought according to pocket size as bullet heads only. Expanding as regards quantity is classed as per loaded rounds in relation to you allowances. To be quite pedantic here; you can buy frangible bullets (bullets designed to break apart, rather than expand) in an uncontrolled fashion as well. The most recent home office guide on firearms licensing makes this point, one which should have been made years ago. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Thing is whenever some wacko goes nuts the press always line up on how much ammo they have at home, the fact is even 100 rounds which is the amount in a single box of bullets will make for the most horrific mass killing in the wrong hands. I fail to see any relevance to public safety in how much ammo we can buy, if anyone was dumb enough to supply criminals with ammo then they are risking very extreme penalties for very little potential gain and its not like the crooks spend a lot of time practicing, it might be interesting to know how many rounds you average gangster uses I bet its not many and could be brought in with the handguns and drugs etc anyhow. Meanwhile money and time / resourse spent on controlling the most law abiding section of our community is penalised Very good points. There is absolutely zero public benefit in controling how much ammo a certificate holder may possess or acquire. Indeed the last issue is being done away with as of 1st December. It's a pointless thing to even attempt as it is very easily got round by anyone who decided to acquire more than they were allowed - you just don't shoot it and stockpile it. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 What is happening in December? Will we be allowed unlimited ammo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 What is happening in December? Will we be allowed unlimited ammo? No, they are doing away with the limit as to what you can purchase at any one time. There will still be an upper limit as to what you can hold. The application and variation forms are changing as well. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) No, they are doing away with the limit as to what you can purchase at any one time. There will still be an upper limit as to what you can hold. The application and variation forms are changing as well. J. So, if I can hold 150, I can go and buy 500+? They're putting a trust limit on FAC holders, then? Edited October 30, 2013 by spandit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonathanL Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 (edited) So, if I can hold 150, I can go and buy 500+? They're putting a trust limit on FAC holders, then? Err, no! If you can only possess 150 you could not buy, and no one could sell you, 500 as you would immediately be in illegal possession of 350 of them. It's all academic anyway because if you wanted to stash more than you were allowed to possess you would just buy them over several transactions and not shoot them. All that is happening is that the bit which says "Ammunition authorised to be purchased or acquired" will disappear from your ticket and from the application form. It's the single most pointless thing in any part of firearms licensing. What difference does it make how many you can buy at any one time? You can make arguments in respect of a total ammunition possession limit (although I also think they are mostly a waste of time) but I can't see any arguments for how much ammo you can buy at one go. J. Edited October 30, 2013 by JonathanL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Ah, so I could buy 200 instead of 100 (just checked my FAC...). Can't afford to stash any more than that anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Ah, so I could buy 200 instead of 100 (just checked my FAC...). Can't afford to stash any more than that anyway! I can hold 1100 .224 If I can find the stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I can hold 1100 .224 If I can find the stock. Is this ******* content judged on height up the tree or volume? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 500/600 .222 rem 300/500 22 hornet. I sole reload so I need the volume. As bullets come in 250/500s if ordeded. I can use both with the same bullet but that's proving hard work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spandit Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 Only just found out that the .223 uses a .224 bullet. A friend of mine has bought some reloading equipment and has offered me the use of if, if I supply my own dies. Collecting my used brass just in case... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 I have found the stock I know mate you are a top bloke ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 The ammo numbers thing is silly. I suppose if a gun was stolen in a house break in, the less ammo is with it the better? But it's not hard to get or make ammo that can work. I've got buy 500 hold 600 on all my guns. When I bought my combi I think I had a lower buy number because the firearms department had printed it wrong - My RFD just looked at it, laughed and stuck the lot through the till in three seperate transactions. Job done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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