Amazed Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Out of interest how much would you feel it fair to charge? I would think £40 + part would be more like it tbh as it's not a big job or complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) I would think £40 + part would be more like it tbh as it's not a big job or complicated.The issue is that what you are asking is for someone to earn £30 after tax, before petrol cost, public liability insurance, gas safe register cost, for what would be an hours work (including travel time but assuming they live locally), also consider gas safe training every five years, van running costs, accountancy fees, the cost of taking a week off from work and on top to also take responsibility of the installation for at minimum 12 months. By the sounds of it the installation would need to be changed from bayonet to fixed copper pipe with tap, pipe clips, solder, butane (I.e. more cost than simply a tap) so £80 sounds cheap. All this also assumes they are not VAT registered in which case they are only getting £66 so even less after tax etc Edited December 23, 2013 by LondonLuke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 The issue is that what you are asking is for someone to earn £30 after tax, before petrol cost, public liability insurance, gas safe register cost, for what would be an hours work (including travel time but assuming they live locally), also consider gas safe training every five years, van running costs, accountancy fees, and on top to also take responsibility of the installation for at minimum 12 months. By the sounds of it the installation would need to be changed from bayonet to fixed copper pipe with tap, pipe clips, solder, butane (I.e. more cost than simply a tap) so £80 sounds cheap. All this also assumes they are not VAT registered in which case they are only getting £66 so even less after tax etc I can see what your saying but I'm not fitting a hob. It's just a cooker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) I can see what your saying but I'm not fitting a hob. It's just a cooker.What is there now? To be honest, with the exception of a £3.00 part, the rest of my post still applies. Out of interest what do you do? Edited December 23, 2013 by LondonLuke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 What is there now? To be honest, with the exception of a £3.00 part, the rest of my post still applies. Out of interest what do you do? Your post sounds very similar to mine London Luke so we are both to way to expensive lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 Your post sounds very similar to mine London Luke so we are both to way to expensive lmao As someone once said (Red Adair poss) If you think its expensive to hire a professional to do a job, just wait until you hire an amateur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 What is there now? To be honest with the exception of a £3.00 part the rest of my post still applies. Out of interest what do you do? I drive for a living, It's an older 1/2 inch bsp fitting I believe. Just needs changing to 1/2 inch bayonet so I can use the cooker from my other house. As a stand in whilst we work on the kitchen. For the level of work it seems a high price when in consideration a service on a gas fire is only £60 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) As someone once said (Red Adair poss) If you think its expensive to hire a professional to do a job, just wait until you hire an amateur. I like amateurs, I earn loads of money sorting out their lash ups or charging to condemn and disconnect their works! To be fair to the OP, £80 does seem a little bit tasty, it's an hours labour plus a cooker socket bayonet. I'd charge £65 for it in Brighton. Edited December 23, 2013 by -Mongrel- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I drive for a living, It's an older 1/2 inch bsp fitting I believe. Just needs changing to 1/2 inch bayonet so I can use the cooker from my other house. As a stand in whilst we work on the kitchen. For the level of work it seems a high price when in consideration a service on a gas fire is only £60 What sort of driving? To me it actually makes little difference what work is involved. When it comes to gas you are paying for expertise, experience, and for the guarantee that having some one gas safe provides and the responsibility they are taking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 (edited) I like amateurs, I earn loads of money sorting out their lash ups or charging to condemn and disconnect their works! Same here , had a cracker Thursday Gas pipe run in plastic :'( luckily enough had didn't return to connect up lol Edited December 23, 2013 by fruity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 The bloke doesn't appear to know the difference between a cooker and a hob, so I think he should do his own gas work and have done with it. Nobody mention the safety chain or he be apoplectic about the cost of screwing that in too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I have always been good at plumbing and should of pursued it into gas fitting but as normal different things are more interesting I don't touch gas, it's not worth any cock up as been already pointed out, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fruity Posted December 23, 2013 Report Share Posted December 23, 2013 I have always been good at plumbing and should of pursued it into gas fitting but as normal different things are more interesting I don't touch gas, it's not worth any cock up as been already pointed out, In fairness when talking earlier i assumed you were talking gas hobs as that's what the thread was based on , if it is a straight swap as you claim and a local job, yes it would be slightly cheaper but only by a tenner or so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 The issue is that what you are asking is for someone to earn £30 after tax, before petrol cost, public liability insurance, gas safe register cost, for what would be an hours work (including travel time but assuming they live locally), also consider gas safe training every five years, van running costs, accountancy fees, the cost of taking a week off from work and on top to also take responsibility of the installation for at minimum 12 months. By the sounds of it the installation would need to be changed from bayonet to fixed copper pipe with tap, pipe clips, solder, butane (I.e. more cost than simply a tap) so £80 sounds cheap. All this also assumes they are not VAT registered in which case they are only getting £66 so even less after tax etc I'm a sparks and we have to be inspected every year not every five like gas people , this costs me 700 quid plus all the other stuff that you say I wouldn't get many jobs at them prices ,not having a go just think its a little steep gas engineers seam to think they are something special ( not all of them ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 I'm a sparks and we have to be inspected every year not every five like gas people , this costs me 700 quid plus all the other stuff that you say I wouldn't get many jobs at them prices ,not having a go just think its a little steep gas engineers seam to think they are something special ( not all of them ) Are you self employed or an employee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 I'm a sparks and we have to be inspected every year not every five like gas people , this costs me 700 quid plus all the other stuff that you say I wouldn't get many jobs at them prices ,not having a go just think its a little steep gas engineers seam to think they are something special ( not all of them ) I agree completely but it is all relative. I think the other issue is that a lot of DIY people will take on electrical works but almost none will take on even basic gas work. (This being right or wrong is another topic) I'm not sure if you are the same but an electrician comparative is that fitting a fuse board will likely take somewhere between half and full day depending on complications, size of board, age of previous, RCD faults etc. However, it is often the case that the cost of fitting a fuse board is more than the cost of ones days labour+parts as it's more specialised. It may be different where you are but just my experience. Are you self employed or an employee? I had assumed he was S/E hence having to foot the bill for NICEIC costs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kelly Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Surprised he can afford to be inspected if he doesn't earn enough money to live! I can't believe the cost of living in Doncaster is so low that you can work for £30 and hour before your business expenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Surprised he can afford to be inspected if he doesn't earn enough money to live! I can't believe the cost of living in Doncaster is so low that you can work for £30 and hour before your business expenses. I suppose it's how many jobs you do an not all will be small earners, Any how it's been sorted as I used a bit of thinking and booked the boiler service and got the socket fitted for £20 + part whilst he's here Jobs jobbed ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonLuke Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Please tell me you didn't mutter the immortal "While you're here..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Please tell me you didn't mutter the immortal "While you're here..." Too rite I did ! The thing is we are changeing the whole lay out of the kitchen and it will have a separate oven and hob arraignment. So I know I will have to pay for the full plumb job to the hob when the time comes. So I don't really want to pay a silly prices to get them here to do a two min stand in job. If you can see where I'm coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BattleFieldRelics Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Gas safe advise against installing 2nd hand gas appliances. Maybe its a bit different that it came from your house, but the guy that fitted it (including cooker chain?) has put a lot of trust in you as if anything now happens (i.e gas leak due to old hose / dry gas cock on cooker controls due to age etc.) he's solely responsible. Not worth the £20 for the risk because these days if anything goes wrong you get the book thrown at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet1747 Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Please tell me you didn't mutter the immortal "While you're here..." donny lads are not shy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Gas safe advise against installing 2nd hand gas appliances. Maybe its a bit different that it came from your house, but the guy that fitted it (including cooker chain?) has put a lot of trust in you as if anything now happens (i.e gas leak due to old hose / dry gas cock on cooker controls due to age etc.) he's solely responsible. Not worth the £20 for the risk because these days if anything goes wrong you get the book thrown at you. All the fitter is assuring is the new fitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Mongrel- Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) All the fitter is assuring is the new fitting. Carp! When we go in and carry out work, we are then required to ensure it's gas tight, to do that we would generally test the complete installation. If there is a leak we are duty bound to make it safe, if the pipe, meter or fittings don't comply or aren't sound, we are duty bound to ensure it is made safe...if that means waiting on site for an hour or more for the gas transporters engineer to turn up, then we do it etc, etc. When we fit a gas appliance we are duty bound to check it's safe to use, IF anything isn't and an accident results, guess who the HSE will come after first! Edited December 24, 2013 by -Mongrel- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amazed Posted December 24, 2013 Report Share Posted December 24, 2013 Carp! When we go in and carry out work, we are then required to ensure it's gas tight, to do that we would generally test the complete installation. If there is a leak we are duty bound to make it safe, if the pipe, meter or fittings don't comply or aren't sound, we are duty bound to ensure it is made safe...if that means waiting on site for an hour or more for the gas transporters engineer to turn up, then we do it etc, etc. When we fit a gas appliance we are duty bound to check it's safe to use, IF anything isn't and an accident results, guess who the HSE will come after first! He would struggle it wasn't on site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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