JohnGalway Posted January 18, 2007 Report Share Posted January 18, 2007 (edited) . Edited September 2, 2009 by JohnGalway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naddan28 Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 well firstly from my limited knowledge you will be looking at either a gas strut gun or a springer. the difference between gas strut and spring is the fact you replacement the mechnical workings of a spring and piston with a gas strut which gives more consistent, does not lose power and obviously removes spring noise. The only gas ram multishot is a theoben SLR98 which is £587.50 on Blackpool Air Rifles and all the other single shots appear to be theoben too so they are out of your budget. The only non theoben gas strut is a HW90, avaliable here http://www.airrifleshop.co.uk/Guns/Weihrau...ihrauchMain.htm As for repeating springers GAMO make one, but it is 9ftlbs if i remember so not really suitable for hunting. With the budget you have stated you are firmly in the BSA Lightning bracket, which is a carbine springer, with intergrated silencer. So i suggest you look at BSA's/Webleys/Weihrauch spring rifles which all fall within your price bracket. As for callibre .20 and .25 do exist but are rare and the .177/.22 are the most common. .22 has less punch due to the smaller size however as a result of the lighter load travels further and has a lot flatter trajectory. .22's hit harder but have quite loopy trajectories meaning you need to accurately judge your range and be good at compensating for different distances with your scope. As for models, have a look at the above brands and visit http://www.airgunbuyer.com/page.asp?pg=18 great site with a good range. I reccomend you look at Webley Longbows, BSA Lightning and HWK 95k. As for silencers on rifles what they do is eliminate the muzzle crack, so all the piston noise is left. Obviously with a pcp, no piston means no noise but with a springer you get a lot more mechanical noise. However the silencer will still serve to limit the sound heard down range i.e. quarry end. You may not notice the difference with/without a silencer but bear in mind the noise you hear is the piston which is right next to your head so silencer or know silencer the noise will still be heard. I think you will find all of the above is right, but I am sure someone will correct any errors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 All good advice except with regards the terminal ballistics of .177 / .22. If you take one of each, for the sake of argument both tuned to exactly 12fpe then that's what power you have regardless of calibre. The amount of energy each has will be identical. In order that this be true the .117 travels considerably faster through the air so that its smaller and lighter pellet hits just as hard as the slower and heaver .22 Now, this debate has raged on and on, and I don't intend starting it off again here. What is written above is fact, plain and simple. The main difference between .177 and .22 is the trajectory. .177 shoots a lot flatter than .22. With a PCP the .177 will be heavier on the air than the .22. The main cut and thrust of general opinion on the matter is that some prefer one, some the other. I have had a load of .22 rifles and if I had my time again I would have picked .177 for legal limit. For various reasons, mostly velocity related you don't see many FAC .177 air weapons, the velocity can easily go supersonic which leads to deformation of the pellet and tumbling. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njc110381 Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 .177 is a better 12ft-lbs calibre (in my opinion). If you can find a used theoben in your budget, go for it. They are good guns. The HW90 is also very nice, and gas ram powered. If you want a springer, the HW80 would be my first choice, and can be converted to gas ram later if you wish. I had a BSA supersport carbine with a ram conversion, and it was a nice little rifle. Silencers do work to a point, it's worth having if you don't mind it (usually) stopping you from using open sights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosspot Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 keep this short an sweet HW80 or HW77 most definately in .177 silencer on springer wouldn't bother cheers TP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Just a couple of points that are "opinions" so make of them what you will. Firstly, a silencer on a springer does make a difference. You will still get a "boing" from the moving parts but how much depends on the level of tuning (NOT power). An off the shelf gun will make a noise BUT the crack from the muzzle will be cut down dramatically with a silencer fitted. Having the right silencer means you can use open sights. There was a picture of an HW90 with scope AND open sights being used for ratting in a December edition of Shooting Times. The scope mounts were "see through" meaning you could see through a gap in the mounts. A gunsmith had re attached the foresight to the silencer that had been fitted. It was a slimline silencer that was longer than normal. This set up was ideal for close quarter ratting and distance shooting. All you need is a creative gunsmith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeihrauchPower Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 HW95 if you want a fairly lightweight hunter at a good price, HW97 if you can handle the weight (you do get used to it, muscles grow!). The HW97 also has the added benefit of a built in silencer. BUT if you want to spend that little extra the HW90 is sweet shooting. .22 I've never had a problem with the trajectory of one, they hold their own in a breeze compared to .177. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyM Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Hi WP just wanted to know a few things about your hw97k custom. What is custom? and what will it do to my gun and how will it improve my shooting and does it take the weight away? because as you said it is a very heavy rifle to hold for long periods. Thanks very much. Only found this web site the other day i think its brill!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeihrauchPower Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Hi WP just wanted to know a few things about your hw97k custom. What is custom? and what will it do to my gun and how will it improve my shooting and does it take the weight away? because as you said it is a very heavy rifle to hold for long periods. Thanks very much. Only found this web site the other day i think its brill!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm fairly new to this site, think it's great also. Custom is simply cusomized for better performance be it a tuned action/trigger or stock. My custom 97k has been fitted with a lazerglide kit from Webley Venom who no longer exist but are now V-Mach. The kit consists of uprated piston washers and seals, piston and spring guide and uprated spring. The rifle has a lot less recoil now and is alot quieter to shoot with less cocking effort needed. i highly recommend these kits they really improve an already great rifle. Obviously less recoil helps toward accurate shooting, as for the weight it's still as heavy, the only way to lose some weight from this rifle would be to fit a custom stock. Although i find the weight an advantage, you get used to it. My arms still ache after a long hunt though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyM Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Cheers WP sorted a few questions i had. What sort of price are we talking about? and how do i get in touch with v-mach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevethevanman Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 I would personaly stick with the 22lr as they have a longer range but they do not give you the thrill of stalking close sometimes, and the ammo is really cheap £2.50p-£5.00 for a box of 50 winny subs. Pluse I think PCP are not that expensive, it just depends on what you buy £300 will probably get you a good precharged BSA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeihrauchPower Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 Cheers WP sorted a few questions i had. What sort of price are we talking about? and how do i get in touch with v-mach? You can get a kit for around £65 (well worth it). I had my local gunsmith fit it for me as doing it yourself can be a bit of hassle. They did it for free also. Just google V-Mach and you should find someone that stocks the kits, they do them for quite a large range of spring rifles. Alternatively you can have it done by V-Mach themselves, they can make lots of alterations to the trigger unit and safety. Fit a custom stock for you and upgrade silencers e.t.c, but at a cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAKEBITE Posted January 20, 2007 Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 I would personaly stick with the 22lr as they have a longer range but they do not give you the thrill of stalking close Perhaps that's why he wants the two rifles, bearing in mind in some areas it is getting harder to get clearance for a .22lr (as opposed to a .17hmr which does not rick o'shea as much) an air rifle can be used anywhere. With both he has the best of both worlds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnGalway Posted January 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2007 (edited) . Edited September 2, 2009 by JohnGalway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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