sandspider Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Hi all I used to roll my own 410 cartridges (very basic hand tools only), but eventually sold the 410 and reloading kit. I was thinking of getting a 20 gauge for my girlfriend (and me, obviously) but am a bit put off by the price of shells. Is it worth reloading? To be honest, we probably wouldn't use a great deal of carts (a few hundred a year maybe?), so I suspect the answer is no! (Plus, I suspect the savings are not as great as for 410 shells, where there is a lot less lead and powder and the price is higher still!) Cheers for any thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Don't bother as unless you use loads of them the cost is the same. I looked for my 28bore and its not worth it for the amount I shoot,less than five hundred a year. Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Depends on what you can live with. If you shoot 21gram loafs at clays it can be slightly more economical. But you'll be saving very little to roll your own. Maybe 5 per 500 shells. Now, its a lot bread to outlay, I'm not going to yeast with you. Its pitta in the bum for so little value. I help out reloaders and the 20, can be a good value shell. Andy can wey in here. Its cheaper to buy. But homeloads are better for baps in the market. Factory stuff is made because there is demand. I baguette that that someone here gets value and another gets great performance. Cook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hedge hunter Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Loving all the bread drop ins mate lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kent Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 not as far as cost. Trouble with factory is you can only buy what your dealer has. Hand loads can give anything from slug (fac allowing) to small steel shot for snipe, BB lead for fox, fast no.1 steel for large duck and geese etc. In short whatever you desire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandspider Posted February 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Thanks chaps, pretty much what I thought. Unlikely to be needing anything super unusal, mainly standard clay loads and a few game loads. Depends on what you can live with. If you shoot 21gram loafs at clays it can be slightly more economical. But you'll be saving very little to roll your own. Maybe 5 per 500 shells. Now, its a lot bread to outlay, I'm not going to yeast with you. Its pitta in the bum for so little value. I help out reloaders and the 20, can be a good value shell. Andy can wey in here. Its cheaper to buy. But homeloads are better for baps in the market. Factory stuff is made because there is demand. I baguette that that someone here gets value and another gets great performance.Cook Good effort with the bread puns! You missed "pitta in the BUN" though?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 So, For a 21gram bread load would be 3p for primer, 3p for was and about 4p in powder (AS). And approx 6p in lead?? But that is a severe guess. That's about 160/k That's alright for factory lead too. Its a challenge to rise too, I cost calculate all the time. I doughnut need to tell you its an expensive game. If you were to use traditional powders for the 20 it can get expensive. Only to the point, of slightly less economical. I can say, to get the value you'd have to shoot that load a lot, hard to justify. Reloading is bloomering frustrating sometimes. You can't just cobble a load together. but up the shotsize For game Or select decent shotsizes. For the clays I likE to use 9s in 21gram loads. They really powder the clays like flour. I love my hobby I can't justify reloading exclusive. But I shoot factory too. Guys here make there own shot, so they can make savings like that. Reloading cost a fortune. But I am not lied to by bad or misleading advertisements. If you keep chasing the cheap loads, then you can never beat the value. Not in a dozen years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandspider Posted February 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Thanks cook. Don't think I've ever actually shot a 20. How does the recoil compare to a 12? (Same brand shells, same weight of shot - just the guage different) Much less? Just wondering if its worth it for my gf, or if not really and I should try her with 21g loads from my 12... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I rarely shoot a 20. But if the load is the same payload and speed, through the same weight gun then the recoil will be the same. I reloaded steel and lead to the same speeds / weight. And the recoil number is identical. If your girl friend is recoil shy, she can shoot low recoil trainer loads. They are soft. Real soft. The compx are good. Bun for real reduced recoil, trainer loads get my vote. Check out hulls range. They look good. The 20 is a fantastic cal, can be lower in recoil, light gun, exactly what is needed for younger / small shooters. It can use shells that make it perform like a 12. But that could be punishing. I bake of you, try some low recoil shells first. Compare them together with the 21g loads and see. If the GF is small frame then the smaller gun may help. Also check out subsonics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
figgy Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Would hate to follow your reloading recipe I would need Bakerboy Terry to translate Figgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandspider Posted February 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I rarely shoot a 20. But if the load is the same payload and speed, through the same weight gun then the recoil will be the same. I reloaded steel and lead to the same speeds / weight. And the recoil number is identical. If your girl friend is recoil shy, she can shoot low recoil trainer loads. They are soft. Real soft. The compx are good. Bun for real reduced recoil, trainer loads get my vote. Check out hulls range. They look good. The 20 is a fantastic cal, can be lower in recoil, light gun, exactly what is needed for younger / small shooters. It can use shells that make it perform like a 12. But that could be punishing. I bake of you, try some low recoil shells first. Compare them together with the 21g loads and see. If the GF is small frame then the smaller gun may help. Also check out subsonics. I already use Comp X (28g) myself, but the recoil is too much for her. I'll look at 21g, or training loads. Cheers. Would hate to follow your reloading recipe I would need Bakerboy Terry to translate Figgy Too many bread references?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cookoff013 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 It started from nexus7 auto correct, and just went from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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