victorismyhero Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Hokay, total newbie to this, used shotgun and sub 12 air rifle for a long time on and off. good shot with both (well I think so anyway) Love my sub 12 for close range rabbits, head shots only. Never had a "runner" (luck ?) Now....there is a chance that soon i may well get some permissions with rabbits that are a bit more challenging, corvids and foxes. So, what am I looking for to do this job. The permissions would, I imagine, be as ideal as it could get, situated in a rather geography gifted area of wales. Loads of good backstops composed of large lumps of good welsh hill side. However, being composed of welsh hill these backstops will be far from stone free. SO, as far as I can make sense of things, I would want to use fast frangible rounds, not heavy slow stuff. I do NOT want lumps of lead I'm responsible for pinging their merry way around the valleys of mid wales unsupervised. my first guess would be firstly a .17 HMR, admittedly noisy and a bit uhmmmm messy but for head shots at rabbits and removing corvids at reasonable "mid" ranges I understand they will do a good job, and are not too expensive to feed. I also understand that at reasonable ranges they "can" be used on fox, but I also seem to think that Cheshire firearms deprecate their use on foxes. so I rather fancy something along the lines of a .22 CF perhaps the .22 Hornet for foxes and of course that will also give me a bit more range too. Are there any others that eat frangibles and in calibres that i would be likely to be able to justify on a first FAC. Finally, As I said ...I'm a newbie to the FAC side of things (the dark side?) and I recon that I am asking sensible questions...So please, I have seen how some on here treat what THEY in their arrogance consider "daft questions". I am a mature, intelligent member of the species homo sapiens sapiens, taking on a new idea and extending my knowledge through asking. I don't like or appreciate trolls. My Thanks in advance to the "good guys" who I know are keen to help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 To be fair the 2 calibres you have mentioned would cover most of what you need. With the C/F there are loads of options and it depends on exactly what you require. Nothing wrong with the .22 hornet (or.17 hornet), most will recommend .223 some will go .222, if you might be shooting where there's a chance of deer it could be worth trying for .243, the list is endless. I personally like my .204 and it suits my requirements. With the .223 there is nearly always a good supply of ammo and it can often be cheaper than other calibres and there are loads of rifles out there. Go for the .17hmr and probably the .223, nothing wrong with the rest but it should suit your needs. There aren't that many silly questions, mostly silly answers. If you don't know ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorismyhero Posted February 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 To be fair the 2 calibres you have mentioned would cover most of what you need. With the C/F there are loads of options and it depends on exactly what you require. Nothing wrong with the .22 hornet (or.17 hornet), most will recommend .223 some will go .222, if you might be shooting where there's a chance of deer it could be worth trying for .243, the list is endless. I personally like my .204 and it suits my requirements. With the .223 there is nearly always a good supply of ammo and it can often be cheaper than other calibres and there are loads of rifles out there. Go for the .17hmr and probably the .223, nothing wrong with the rest but it should suit your needs. There aren't that many silly questions, mostly silly answers. If you don't know ask. So are frangible rounds available for those "other " .22 calibres? like .222 up to .243? you see this is where i get befuddled by the sheer volume of info "out there" I always thought .243 was a "heavy slow" round... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moorvale55 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I am not too far from you, and have .17 HMR and .22lr for Fox. A great round at the right distance. A .22 lr will do a Fox but I would not shoot at over 50 yards. Your ground appears to be like mine, 2" of soil and solid rock underneath which makes a .22lr ricochet. Ask for AOLQ with a .17HMR, this allows Fox as well as rabbits etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarsdad Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 So are frangible rounds available for those "other " .22 calibres? like .222 up to .243? you see this is where i get befuddled by the sheer volume of info "out there" I always thought .243 was a "heavy slow" round... .243 is definitely not slow...55gr is over 4000ft/s and even the 100gr I put through mine are 3000ft/s ...compare that to 2500ft/s in my .17hmr for just 17gr of lead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r1steele Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 So are frangible rounds available for those "other " .22 calibres? like .222 up to .243? you see this is where i get befuddled by the sheer volume of info "out there" I always thought .243 was a "heavy slow" round... These calibres all make frangible rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victorismyhero Posted February 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 .243 is definitely not slow...55gr is over 4000ft/s and even the 100gr I put through mine are 3000ft/s ...compare that to 2500ft/s in my .17hmr for just 17gr of lead... Now this is what I need to know you see. i assume therefore that a suitable head will fragment rather than ricochet if it hits a rock? and that "suitable" heads are available? would I be able to justify a .243 for foxing? These calibres all make frangible rounds. Ahh again thanks for that....the sheer amount of info out there on the web, a lot of it contradictory makes finding these things out no easy task Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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