markbivvy Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 wrong one sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazzyboi Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Fireash Pin is absolutely right a caution is not a conviction and need not be declared, nor for that matter is a speeding ticket. Where it mentions on the back of the form you are not entitled withold information about any offence this means any offence for which you have been convicted .For it to be a conviction you have to appear in court in front of a magistrate. They cannot refuse your licence on this basis so you don't need to send them anything in explanation but by all means mention it when you receive a visit if you feel you have to. Regards P True...but still even if you have a caution, they are still going to bring it up. The FEO will bring up anything that includes your name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 a caution isn't a conviction so has no place on the form really Don't agree. If you accept a caution then you have admitted to committing a criminal offence. Especially pertinent in this case. All cautions should be declared. Was only stating "absolute fact". A agree that you should definitely disclose / mention / tell / talk about everything with the FLO/FEO. Point of order is this, though: A caution is not a conviction, simple as that. If you want to be absolutely sure, have a read of the home office guidance to police document. Chapter 11 deals with SGC applications, section 12 makes very interesting reading and sets the record straight with regard to suitability to possess firearms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireash123 Posted February 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 im shaw i read some where that you cant admit to a crime yourself. you still have to be proved that you commited the crime. so a cauition is just a warning. im going to leave a message with my fao or speak to him and let him know. cant be more fairer or honest than that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 i wouldnt worry to much mate,they wont and cant use offences that occured before you were 16 . i declared an offence wif airgun when i was 15,and they said they didnt even know of it cos it was a juvenile record ,it was destroyed.allways better to tell all mind ,dont get me wrong,but i think you be ok mate,and as for speeding ,i thought it ys on application,all offences except motoring?? not sure mind so dont all shout at once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggone Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 a caution isn't a conviction so has no place on the form really Don't agree. If you accept a caution then you have admitted to committing a criminal offence. Especially pertinent in this case. All cautions should be declared. Was only stating "absolute fact". A agree that you should definitely disclose / mention / tell / talk about everything with the FLO/FEO. Point of order is this, though: A caution is not a conviction, simple as that. If you want to be absolutely sure, have a read of the home office guidance to police document. Chapter 11 deals with SGC applications, section 12 makes very interesting reading and sets the record straight with regard to suitability to possess firearms. See page 66 paragraph 12.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palombier Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Doggone You are right ,of course they can take the caution into account when considering whether to grant a licence. The point is though that it doesn't have to be declared as a conviction. P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 The point is though that it doesn't have to be declared as a conviction this maybe true , but would it harm anyones application if they where mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pin Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Ok so that's three posts now missing the point. The question was "do you declare as a conviction" to which the answer is no. We all know that ANYTHING on your record be it a speeding fine or a caution, will be used to ***** your suitability to possess firearms. As the guidelines posted clearly say a caution may not automatically preclude someone from obtaining a firearm but may help to assess suitability. So at the sake of saying it again, no don't declare on your form something for which you have not been convicted. I would either a) mention on the phone 2) include in covering letter 3) Make a point to get it out of the way first thing with the FLO / FEO when he comes round. See page 66 paragraph 12.5 What was your point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Harry Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 A caution is valid for 5 years or if under 18 then for 5 years or until the age of 18, whichever comes first. I would expect that this caution has been weeded from the pnc and provided you have not been in trouble since then your police record should be blank. Some organisations will view a caution in the same way as a conviction, the general medical council being one of them. Lets not forget that to get a caution you must have admitted the offence. Don't get worried about it. just talk to the feo when he arrives. Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 When I applied for my SGC, I had filled in the form openly and honestly declaring my 3 points for speeding. When the FLO came round for the interview, he asked me about an incident that had occured when I was 13, which I had completely forgotten about, and although I was interviewed at the time, I was never cautioned and in fact they caught the person responsible two weeks later. This was some 15 years after it had occured, and I remembered that at the time, the officer who came round to tell me that they had caught the person responsible, asked whether I wanted to see the records they had on me destroyed (Finger prints, statement, interview tapes - the lot). Obviously after the scare i'd had the last thing i wanted was to go back to the station, so I declined. Wish I had of done now, but ultimately I explained to the FLO once he brought it up the full situation, and he told me that it was just a reference on their system although it didn't say what it was about and what the outcome was. Fireash, IMHO if I was in your shoes I would phone up the FLO and explain that you, after talking to more experienced (if you can call us that) SGC/FAC holders that you now realise that you should have declared a relevant point, and ask him if writing a letter to further explain would be of benefit. I would also in the interim, join BASC, so that A) you get insurance but if you do get refused, you can ask BASC to take up the Refusal fight on your behalf, saves on time and Money as it's included within your annual subscription fee. Oh yes, I would hide that Grandad Shotgun away from the places he is likely to check or you will never get your SGC. SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjimmer Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 A friend of mine got a conditional discharge donkey's years ago for using a starting pistol to quell a disturbance in a chineses restaurant. When he later applied for a FAC, he was told it was not anything to stop him getting it. He was allowed rifles, pistols, long mag shotguns, solid slugs, the works! My conditional discharge for ABH didn't result in me losing my certificates. I don't think a caution is anything to worry about, but I think they are mentioned on the forms, perhaps with a time condition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fireash123 Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 cheers ss. tis what im going to do(trying to do if i can get hold of him) and like i said that grandad gun thing was all made up. but if i did have it it wouldnt be in my house. cheers again guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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