Jimjim Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hey all first time ever getting a dog hopefully to be a gun dog, whats your opinion on a collie being used as a gun dog?? thanks jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Border Collies are very intelligent and can learn most games. They love to retrieve so that is a good point, and many have been used by shepperds to take the odd bunny along the fields. Introduce her slowly to the gun, and get her out brushing so that she learns to put game up and you have a good chance of coming up with a gun dog. Have Fun, NTTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonsey Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I’ve got a Border Collie, saved her as a pup when the FMD was at it’s height. She was going to be put down. She’s a bit of a madam with the other dog but was, and still is very easy to train. She’s caught a few squirrels and rabbits. I’m amazed at how quick she is. Never had a Collie before always Labradors but she’s a fantastic dog, she just learns so quickly. She’s excellent at retrieving but goes ballistic at any loud noise so sadly I don’t take her shooting. When I got her I spoke to a couple of breeders who told me to be careful to train her from being very small around sheep and cattle. She does come from working stock so the last thing I wanted is for her to chase or herd them, she doesn’t give them a second glance now. She’s a small collie with very good markings, she’d probably have made an excellent working dog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new to the flock Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Okay I get to post mine up too...... Bug loves to run rabbits, but is really not fond of the gun. She will put up with it for me but is not fond of loud noises. NTTF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimjim Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 cheers guys!! am stuck between a collie or a lab (fingers crossed av found a lab pup for £100) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul in North Lincs. Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 edge on the side of caution....... and 100 bar for lab is very cheap indeed....I would sugest you see both patents, and any papers there may be!! Collies.....lovely, alround dogs...I had one for 8 years she was called Madison, and it was a sad day indeed when I parted from the ex, and the dog!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimjim Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 yeah ano what you mean, i have searched papers, dog pounds and any labs i find are 250 - 400 pound and its abit dear for me am thinking around the 100 for the most lol He said on phone that he had a good family related reason he was selling for cheap, i should hopefully be going tonigth for a look at him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russuk Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Be wary of backyard breeders. You must see at least the dam and any paperwork before you buy. Make sure you see eye tests and hip scores, grandparents, great grandparents. If needs be come away and research the pups background. Is this pup coming from a litter, or is it on it's own? Why have these people bred a litter (if they have). Do the dam and sire work? I'd be very wary of someone selling a lab puppy for £100 due to family reasons. Save up and get a quality pup from a reputable breeder, you'll be better off in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirky640 Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 hip score most important in labs =i agree totaly collies for gun dog not realy mine runs and hides under the kitchen table when she hears the gun cabinet keys it the lock and ive had here since a pup what ever the dog you get start to train it from 12 weeks old =aim for the basic sit and stay to start with then on to fetch and then on to quartering etc the first few months are the most important in my opinion as if they get away from you in the first few weeks and months it so much harder to correct a unruly dog my preference is for a springer but thats mibby because ive been lucky and have a good one good luck and whatever dog you get its a good idea to read up on the habbits etc of the breed you buy good luck kirky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimjim Posted February 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 yeah i totally agree all those, he told me on the phone there that his father is well known around the clubs and kennels around were hes from and that the father is registered but somethin to do with the mothers paper work isnt rigth, al find out all on sat morning, the pup is 1 of 3, hes says its a pedigree but is there any ways of knowing?? the pups havent got paperwork but if there is a genuine reason can i get paper work for them?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russuk Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 yeah i totally agree all those, he told me on the phone there that his father is well known around the clubs and kennels around were hes from and that the father is registered but somethin to do with the mothers paper work isnt rigth, al find out all on sat morning, the pup is 1 of 3, hes says its a pedigree but is there any ways of knowing?? the pups havent got paperwork but if there is a genuine reason can i get paper work for them?? "A pedigreed animal is one that has its ancestry recorded. Often this is tracked by a major registry. The number of generations required varies from breed to breed, but all pedigreed animals have papers from the registering body that attest to their ancestry." So all "pedigree" means is that the mum and dad are registered with The Kennel Club as are the grandparents (so are "pedigree" themselves). It means the dog is who the owners say it is, and the parents are who they say they are etc etc. It's invaluable for checking family history, problems within the family, champions within the family. So if the mother hasn't got papers, and thus not registered with the kennel club, the puppy can't be registered with the Kennel Club as a pedigree. Do they have hip scores for both parents? An "official" hip score needs to be an x-ray from a registered vet with the dogs kennel club number on that is then sent to the kennel club to be checked by their vets who then give it a score. So I doubt they do. A major sticking point, that will cost you horrific amounts of money in the future. Have the pups been properly weened, sosicalised, docked, de-clawed? What sort of enviroment have they been brought up in. Why is it only one of three? Non of this really matters if and a big if, you know where the dog is coming from, you personally know the person that's bred it, and are happy with both parents. Personally I'd only take a dog like this from someone who's dogs I've seen work and can vouch for myself. All sounds a bit dodgy to me. Be careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimjim Posted February 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 Cheers for all that russuk!! i will be having a good chat with him on fri nigth before i arrange were and when to meet him!! i hope to get the pup to the vets on sat if i feel the pup is worth it for a good once over etc, as long as the dog is healthy am happy enough but we'll see how sat morning goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimjim Posted February 8, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2007 Heya all, i got the pup last nigth great pup!!! really lively, great shine off his coat, good colouring of the eyes and the teeth are in great shape, huge big paws for a 10 week old haha i will post a picture later when i get home going to vets later to get the jabs anything like his master he wont like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimjim Posted February 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 This is jack my 10 week pup All worked out very well!! Vets has give him a great bill of health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferretboy111 Posted February 10, 2007 Report Share Posted February 10, 2007 Nice pup, to me though it doesnt look like a collie, but i dont know anything! Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimjim Posted February 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 Haha yeah ano haha hes a great pup just needs to calm down alittle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killer69 Posted February 12, 2007 Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 collies are good dogs. my mate has one that he trained himself it is a bitch and very clever. they ar good at picking up blood trails in my opinion they are better than springers but labs top them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimjim Posted February 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2007 yeah there a great dog thats why i had thot of getting one because there so great to train, i beleive there great for rabbits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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