10G 1.3/4 oz steel loads?

[DerbyshireDale.]

I,ve purchased a couple of Boxes of remington 10G steel shell's ounce and three quarter load, I've looked through all the data I have but can only find 10G loads up to 1.5oz maximum, has anyone out there got or knows where to find data (proven loads) for 1.3/4oz ?

ATB...Dale.

[kent]

It is out there Try Alliant's webpage data? I tried some but all it did was slow things down and increase the recoil, patterns were good with 1 1/2 oz (which is still more pellets than we shot when 10ga was all lead). Best not get too keen on comparing with the same 12 ga super magnum loads as I found massive differences in them on the plate and in penetration testing exact like for like

[DerbyshireDale.]

It is out there Try Alliant's webpage data? I tried some but all it did was slow things down and increase the recoil, patterns were good with 1 1/2 oz (which is still more pellets than we shot when 10ga was all lead). Best not get too keen on comparing with the same 12 ga super magnum loads as I found massive differences in them on the plate and in penetration testing exact like for like

speed on the box states about 1260fps so you're right on that count but just wondered if there is any Data for that weight out there?...my mate says its only "Remmy" that does that pay-load?

somebody on here usually has some info and know know. Thanks for the reply though.

atb...Dale.

[motty]

speed on the box states about 1260fps so you're right on that count but just wondered if there is any Data for that weight out there?...my mate says its only "Remmy" that does that pay-load?

somebody on here usually has some info and know know. Thanks for the reply though.

atb...Dale.

Gamebore do 'Rhino' in 1 3/4 oz. They are quoted at being 1400fps. I killed some pinks with them last season.

I have recipes with yank components for 1 5/8 loads at 1350fps. I use these and they do the job very nicely. High speed is not really required with BBB or T.

It is out there Try Alliant's webpage data? I tried some but all it did was slow things down and increase the recoil, patterns were good with 1 1/2 oz (which is still more pellets than we shot when 10ga was all lead). Best not get too keen on comparing with the same 12 ga super magnum loads as I found massive differences in them on the plate and in penetration testing exact like for like

Not quite, but not far off. A 1 1/2 oz steel load roughly equates in volume to a 2 1/8 oz lead load.

[kent]

I meant 1 1/2 oz of steel is a great deal more than 1 1/2 of lead as you state you need to get over 2 oz and that's a big load. Steel and we need to forget traditional load weights and talk pellet count and speed, I should personally try a decrease the pellet count hence upping the speed as long as patterns hold good (there we have an argument for a smaller shot size?)

[Big Mat]

Dale, i have data for 1 5/8 ounce but no 1 3/4 ounce.

[DerbyshireDale.]

Dale, i have data for 1 5/8 ounce but no 1 3/4 ounce.

Cheers Mat, could you Pm me the recipe details please, is it the same one that Wayne has mentioned in his reply?

thanks guys for the reply's..... ATB.....Dale.

[DerbyshireDale.]

Gamebore do 'Rhino' in 1 3/4 oz. They are quoted at being 1400fps. I killed some pinks with them last season.

I have recipes with yank components for 1 5/8 loads at 1350fps. I use these and they do the job very nicely. High speed is not really required with BBB or T.

Not quite, but not far off. A 1 1/2 oz steel load roughly equates in volume to a 2 1/8 oz lead load.

Cheers Wayne, could you PM me the recipe details?

ATB....Dale.

[motty]

Cheers Wayne, could you PM me the recipe details?

ATB....Dale.

Will do.

[UK fowler]

BPI and C&G have data for 15/8oz-46gram loads but Iv not seen a test sheet or book data for 13/4oz loadings I have cut nitro and rhino loads open and they have on av 36 grains of 300 series powder could be 381 but not 100% on that It would be a interesting load to get checked at the proof house . Iv shot a lot of geese with nitro Ts they work well for me even at a slow 1275fps if you could get the speed up a tad it would be a great home load

[Guest cookoff013]

sometimes speed isnt always the answer. however some is still needed to get shot or whatever to the target.

iften chasing the magic 1500+ fps is a no go anyway, as the data that is produces comes from a test barrel, set "tighter" tolerances of chamber size, forcing cones and barrel size and length and choke in fact.

 

now average joe wildfowler`s gun is not a test barrel, only the chamber has the tight specifications the forcing cone and barrel diameter and length is varied by manufacturers. this is the only control they have.

 

most people who chrono report different speed than expected FPS, this is because manufacturers add 100fps on to create a "guessed" MV.

 

thats why you really shouldnt use a chrono to try to gain or develop loads to expected FPS as its often counter productive, as adding powder to an already efficient shell will nearly always result in ammunition being on, over, or near, maximum pressure. thats not even including statistical outliers like "hot" shells that might even produce higher pressures but lower speeds.

 

stick to a decent load, switch out the shotsizes until desired results are achieved...

[DerbyshireDale.]

sometimes speed isnt always the answer. however some is still needed to get shot or whatever to the target.

iften chasing the magic 1500+ fps is a no go anyway, as the data that is produces comes from a test barrel, set "tighter" tolerances of chamber size, forcing cones and barrel size and length and choke in fact.

 

now average joe wildfowler`s gun is not a test barrel, only the chamber has the tight specifications the forcing cone and barrel diameter and length is varied by manufacturers. this is the only control they have.

 

most people who chrono report different speed than expected FPS, this is because manufacturers add 100fps on to create a "guessed" MV.

 

thats why you really shouldnt use a chrono to try to gain or develop loads to expected FPS as its often counter productive, as adding powder to an already efficient shell will nearly always result in ammunition being on, over, or near, maximum pressure. thats not even including statistical outliers like "hot" shells that might even produce higher pressures but lower speeds.

 

stick to a decent load, switch out the shotsizes until desired results are achieved...

Yes, makes sense what you are saying but I was'nt aiming for 1500fps, just wondering what heavy pay-load Data is available and it looks as though 1.5/8oz is the max for the 10G reloader. Many thanks to Big Mat & Motty for the recipes.

atb....Dale.

[Big Mat]

sometimes speed isnt always the answer. however some is still needed to get shot or whatever to the target.

iften chasing the magic 1500+ fps is a no go anyway, as the data that is produces comes from a test barrel, set "tighter" tolerances of chamber size, forcing cones and barrel size and length and choke in fact.

 

now average joe wildfowler`s gun is not a test barrel, only the chamber has the tight specifications the forcing cone and barrel diameter and length is varied by manufacturers. this is the only control they have.

 

most people who chrono report different speed than expected FPS, this is because manufacturers add 100fps on to create a "guessed" MV.

 

thats why you really shouldnt use a chrono to try to gain or develop loads to expected FPS as its often counter productive, as adding powder to an already efficient shell will nearly always result in ammunition being on, over, or near, maximum pressure. thats not even including statistical outliers like "hot" shells that might even produce higher pressures but lower speeds.

 

stick to a decent load, switch out the shotsizes until desired results are achieved...

 

You talk to much science.

 

I'd like to hear more about your real world experiences

Edited August 14, 2014 by Big Mat

[kent]

Heres some real world experience for you Mat Alliant Steel, SAM1 wad mica dust and 42 grms of steel shot totally wrecks Geese, even with number 2. Oh BTW I have some TUPRW 105 and some Multi metal 3221035 if those were the wads you wanted a few of

[Big Mat]

Heres some real world experience for you Mat Alliant Steel, SAM1 wad mica dust and 42 grms of steel shot totally wrecks Geese, even with number 2. Oh BTW I have some TUPRW 105 and some Multi metal 3221035 if those were the wads you wanted a few of

 

The cartridges i have loaded up so far are alliant steel, sam1 and 42 grams of steel in a Remmy case.

 

yes they are the wads, will pm you later.

[Guest cookoff013]

You talk to much science.

 

I'd like to hear more about your real world experiences

I fired a lot of bismuth. They are truely awful. Old and new gen. I then started loading and patterning steel. I used factory for a while. They were dire. I could walk to the target faster.

 

I talk a lot about cartridges because I make and design some. Have them tested, adjusted then tested again.

 

Those that fail for the multiple reasons like variation, pressure issues, etc.

Get either re adjusted, scrapped or whatever.

 

Just shoot big shot get the shotsize minimum 3x more. As for payloads 36g or so for goose, as for duck 2s at 1300fps are good enough. 32g loads.

If the ducks are close, those loads can be a bit much.

 

I've done the 1500fps loads, I even did a "really fast" load. But its just really in necessary.

[kent]

I fired a lot of bismuth. They are truely awful. Old and new gen. I then started loading and patterning steel. I used factory for a while. They were dire. I could walk to the target faster.

 

I talk a lot about cartridges because I make and design some. Have them tested, adjusted then tested again.

 

Those that fail for the multiple reasons like variation, pressure issues, etc.

Get either re adjusted, scrapped or whatever.

 

Just shoot big shot get the shotsize minimum 3x more. As for payloads 36g or so for goose, as for duck 2s at 1300fps are good enough. 32g loads.

If the ducks are close, those loads can be a bit much.

 

I've done the 1500fps loads, I even did a "really fast" load. But its just really in necessary.

 

Hey I for one often like reading your stuff but you do need to forget load weights and shot size as regards lethality on Wildfowl I know a fair few guys who swear by the likes of fast 24 grm steel loads in a 4 and they aint suffering bad results. Dead is dead you cant kill them double dead 24 grm of steel can be pushed and compare shot count to a 1 oz load of no.6