red_stag88 Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Has anyone heard of the center fire .17? Called .17 remington or the like? What was it like as a round? Why didn't it catch on? Surely it would be more economical to have a center fire..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGhost Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Its still around. I have not had a go of one but the bullet is 25gr and travels at 4000 ft/s: thats hot! It must be very suseptable to wind (don't go there YP) and I would think very hard on the barel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Yes you dont see very many the barrel life is very short and they are prone to fouling apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 here you go red stagg http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/17rem.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_stag88 Posted January 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Ohh my favorit screen Rugby School Internet Access Control STOP The Internet site which you have tried to access is blocked because of its violent content (violence, weapons, hate etc.). Your attempt to access this site has been logged. Any further attempts to access sites of a similar nature may result in your Internet access being restricted or withdrawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NGhost Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Red dont let the cyber police know this but it may help: Go to http://www.freetranslation.com then translate the webpage you want from anything to english. Your school software should see you using a translation site only. (my son uses this at his school). But if the Bu**ers find out it will usualy get bocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadeyedick Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Red, looks like we're in the same boat!! Bloody left wing school Access Denied The requested document, http://www.reloadbench.com/cartridges/17rem.html, will not be shown. Reason: Found in Denied List (Weapons). Entry causing block is reloadbench.com. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Copyright © (1996-2002) Symantec Corporation All Rights Reserved. Legal Notice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 17 Remington One might think logically that a cartridge that's been with us since 1971, one that burns about the same amount of powder as the .222, produces about the same amount of muzzle blast as the .223, generates about the same level of recoil as the .22 Hornet, and yet shoots as flat as the .22-250, would have America's varmint shooters standing in line to buy a rifle chambered for it. Sadly enough, this has not been the case with our only domesticated .17 caliber cartridge. Despite the fact that the .17 Remington has such impressive credentials, it has never enjoyed more than mild popularity in the United States. It's largest following is in Australia where hunters who shoot fox for the fur market find the little cartridge ideal for minimal pelt damage. With the exception of the .220 Swift, the .17 Remington generates velocities exceeding those of all other commercially loaded cartridges by a considerable margin. Such extremely high speeds result in a flat trajectory which makes 300 yard shots on varmint a snap. The banjo string trajectory plus it's excellent accuracy, even with factory loads, and almost nonexistent recoil make the .17 Remington a pleasure to carry afield. All the little cartridge asks of its owner is a good barrel cleaning every 15-20 rounds. Muzzle Jump from a rifle chambered to this cartridge is so light you can see the speedy little bullet punch a hole in paper or tumble a varmint, right inside your scope. For top accuracy at maximum velocities, IMR-4320 will make the .17 Remington sing a pretty song. Other good choices are H380 and H4895. Presently, several U.S. and foreign gun makers offer rifles in this caliber; Remington, Thompson/Center, Sako, and Krico. In a custom 14" barrel from SSK Industries, the .17 Remington will push a 25 grain bullet to 3500 fps, making it the fastest cartridge available in the T/C Contender and Remington XP-100 handguns in custom barrels from Thompson/Center and SSK Industries, etc., etc. Source: Hodgdon Data Manual, 26th Edition -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Historical Notes: The 17 Remington was introduced in 1971 as a new caliber for Remington's 700 Series bolt action rifles. It is the smallest caliber centerfire rifle cartridge offered on a commercial basis to date. The case is based on the 223 Remington necked down to 17 caliber, with the shoulder moved back .087" to lengthen the neck while retaining the same shoulder angle. The 17 Remington is similar to, but not identical with the 17-223 wildcat developed about 1965. Experiment with the 17 caliber rifles go back to 1944 when P.O. Ackley, the well known gunsmith and experimenter, developed the 17 Ackley Bee based on necking down the improved 218 Bee case. There are a number of other 17 caliber wildcat cartridges made by necking down 22 caliber centerfire cases such as the 221 Remington Fireball, 222 Remington, etc. Remington , Ultra Light Arms, Wichita, and Sako offers rifles in this caliber. General Comments: The 17 Remington has had a steady, though unspectacular, sales record since its introduction. Its greatest drawback is that its a special purpose cartridge suited almost exclusively for varmint shooting. For the sportsman who wants a rifle only for that purpose, this is not a disadvantage, however those requiring a rifle for both varmint and deer hunting would be better served with some other caliber. With the 25 grain hollow point bullet loaded by Remington and similar bullets available for handloading by Hornady, the 17 Remington must be rated as a short range varmint cartridge. On the other hand, it has certain advantages such as minimal recoil, ricochet probability, and a very flat trajectory due to the high initial velocity of over 4000 fps. Disadvantages include; rapid barrel fouling, extreme sensitivity to slight charge weight variation and limited component availability. Factory loaded ammunition is available only from Remington. Source: Cartridges of the World -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- View Cartridge Drawing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_stag88 Posted January 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Cheers neil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red_stag88 Posted January 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 Cheers Nghost, but they block that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrono Posted January 20, 2004 Report Share Posted January 20, 2004 I've got a Tikka Continental heavy barrel in .17 Rem. it's got a silencer on and is excellent on rabbits and foxes. No problems with barrel fouling, I shot 50 rounds at 100 yards into less than 1" The Remington BDL I had before the Tikka was ****.........needed cleaning after 15 rounds or accuracy went haywire. I've shot 20g V Max, 25g HP and 19g/22g/28g Calhoon bullets, and 30g Berger bullets. I like the 25g Hornadys, they are blown off less than my .223 VSSF at 300 yards! there's too many 'old wives tales' on the .17 Rem. I found the truth out myself although I was a bit sceptical at first! (especially with the BDL). I've shot over 140 foxes in 12 months with the Tikka. It's a reloaders calibre, you have to work at it! cheers, chrono. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 What sort of barrel life are you expecting chrono? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrono Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 Neil, to be honest I don't really know!............it's mainly used on foxes so it's not getting that much stick. If it lasts for 3000 rounds I'll be happy. cheers, chrono. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pike Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 I have shot a friends .17 Remington on several occassions and found it absolutly devestating. Foxes up to 300 yards just collapse on the spot and 9 times out of ten without an entry or exit wound. I was considering getting one myself but as factory rounds are like hens teeth will probably end up with a .22 Hornet - has anyone got any experience with .22 H or can recommend a manufacturer? Pike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NGhost Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 The hornet is fun and cheap to feed but the bullets drop. A 222 or 223 are a lot flater shooting. Ammo is easyer to find in 222/223 and tends to be cheaper. The guns are the same price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrono Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 You'd be better off with a .223 and downloading it to achieve hornet ballistics, when you get fed up with the hornet looped trajectory you could run it back to full power. cheers, chrono. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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