verminer Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 hi all, this has probably been asked before, but could you please let me know what components are best for reloading for fox. i would experiment but what with my work i do not have the time. many thanks Verminer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkield Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 You could try searching the forum. Also have a look at this for some tried and tested loads (scroll down a bit) http://www.reloadersnest.com/frontpage.asp?CaliberID=21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 im using a 52g Amax behind some h380 39.5-40g with mag primers 20tho of the lands foxs dont like it :unsure: Any one who dont think Amax expande should look at this link! "Warning dead fox pic" http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b156/And.../Photo-0056.jpg Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Get caught doing it though and you will **** off target shooters (who face having a-max re-classified), be in breach of your conditions and just be another nail in the coffin of legal shooters. im lost why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Get caught doing it though and you will **** off target shooters (who face having a-max re-classified), be in breach of your conditions and just be another nail in the coffin of legal shooters. im lost why. me to nothing ilegal about it that i know of :( on deer yes but not vermin Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 i think young mr fister ir right, while we all know how good the amax are at expanding they are not sold as such. thatswhy you can get them posted to your door. expanding ammo only for killing vermin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Hi Mark It only aplies to deer mate where its all you can use! Its advised for vermin to use expanding but thats it,& its not like they dont expand! (Amax) Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markbivvy Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Hi Mark It only aplies to deer mate where its all you can use! Its advised for vermin to use expanding but thats it,& its not like they dont expand! (Amax) Andy its not like they dont expand! yep i know andy. quite like the stuff myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 This one has been done to death several times. Whether it expands or not (and yes, i agree it does) it is still not kosher. All live target (animal) shooting requires a Section 5 expanding ammo condition. If you didnt need it, why do you get it? Whether you do use these or not, it is just not wise to; A, broadcast it. B, give it as advice to someone asking for help. It is a Breach of your conditions. So here is an interesting point, how do you show purchase/use of expanding ammo if you aren't buying it? Like i said before there is no leagal requirement to do so on anything BUT deer! so no breach of conditions here thank you! Its advised to use a expanding bullet on vermin but not law (which they & many like them do so very well !) in fact heres a quote of the firearms licensing if you like "Schedule 2 of The Deer Act 1991 prohibits the use of any ammunition, other than soft-nosed or hollow-point, for the killing of deer." Anyway acuracy kills the fact they leave a hole a rabbit could fall out of just helps Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 I hope you are sure on that one. Well if you cant go off the fireams licencing site where can you go for acurate advice if it was ilegal im sure they wouldnt be used happy hunting Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kip270 Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Get caught doing it though and you will **** off target shooters (who face having a-max re-classified), be in breach of your conditions and just be another nail in the coffin of legal shooters. im lost why. me to nothing ilegal about it that i know of on deer yes but not vermin Andy Think you need to read the ACT again, expanding ammo 4.4 Section 10 of the 1997 Act amended section 5A(4) of the 1968 Act to exempt from the general prohibition on expanding ammunition people who use it for specific purposes. The exemptions cover those people who use expanding ammunition for the: 1. lawful shooting of deer; 2. shooting of vermin or, in the course of estate management, other wildlife; 3. humane killing of animals; and 4. shooting animals for the protection of other animals or humans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Get caught doing it though and you will **** off target shooters (who face having a-max re-classified), be in breach of your conditions and just be another nail in the coffin of legal shooters. im lost why. me to nothing ilegal about it that i know of on deer yes but not vermin Andy Think you need to read the ACT again, expanding ammo 4.4 Section 10 of the 1997 Act amended section 5A(4) of the 1968 Act to exempt from the general prohibition on expanding ammunition people who use it for specific purposes. The exemptions cover those people who use expanding ammunition for the: 1. lawful shooting of deer; 2. shooting of vermin or, in the course of estate management, other wildlife; 3. humane killing of animals; and 4. shooting animals for the protection of other animals or humans. thats just the good reason to buy the stuff i think you will find! good reason to purches sec5 ammo ie "The exemptions cover those people who use expanding ammunition for......................" Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieT Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Andy Like you I have always been under the impression that expanding ammo must only be used for deer. This is as we know legislated for in the deer act. As far as vermin is concerned I have searched high and low for any legislation (or reference for that matter) regarding expanding ammo. The only reference I can find is on the Met web site where it states that expanding ammo should be used for large vermin such as fox. However you will note they use the word should and not must, therefore proving in my mind that it is not a legal requirement and therefore one would not be in breach of one's fac conditions by using non expanding ammo for vermin and fox. We owe it to our quarry to deliver a quick clean kill. This is achieved by good bullet placement and expansion. If the use of the highly accurate AMax deliver this, as we have proved through testing, then I can see nothing wrong with using them and passing this info on to others. Regards Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skany Posted March 11, 2007 Report Share Posted March 11, 2007 Andy Like you I have always been under the impression that expanding ammo must only be used for deer. This is as we know legislated for in the deer act. As far as vermin is concerned I have searched high and low for any legislation (or reference for that matter) regarding expanding ammo. The only reference I can find is on the Met web site where it states that expanding ammo should be used for large vermin such as fox. However you will note they use the word should and not must, therefore proving in my mind that it is not a legal requirement and therefore one would not be in breach of one's fac conditions by using non expanding ammo for vermin and fox. We owe it to our quarry to deliver a quick clean kill. This is achieved by good bullet placement and expansion. If the use of the highly accurate AMax deliver this, as we have proved through testing, then I can see nothing wrong with using them and passing this info on to others. Regards Charlie Hi charlie This is exactly what im saying no where does it say you "cant" only with regards to deer! ive started a thread on the other forum see if anyone else "Knows for sure" Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b_wales Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 hi all, this has probably been asked before, but could you please let me know what components are best for reloading for fox. i would experiment but what with my work i do not have the time. many thanks Verminer I have used 55g V Max heads with Hodgson H380 powder. I have had no trouble using these and find them to be accurate and deadly loads. Steve B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 my load for foxes is 39 grains of h380 with speer 52 grain bthp if u look very close at these bullets they have micro slits down the side at the front of the bullet and are realy good i have had one of these bullets at 100 yards give or take not exit a fox and turnned the front end of a fox like a water bed and other times looks like it has had a fight with a frail cutter on a tractor this is all i load now found to be the best for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mry716 Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 There does not seem to be any specific legislation regarding the use of 'expanding' ammo on other than Deer. But Firstly Fox and rabbit are not vermin they are Small Mammals and Ground Game respectively and you have a duty both under the 1981 Wildlife and Countryside Act as well as (believe it or not) the 1835 Cruelty to Animals Act to dispatch your Quarry humanely. Actually if you read your FAC from beginning to end you may just find that is also on your FAC. Now it is up to you to decide if the ammo you are using is doing what is required of you in Law ie 'Killing Humanely'. If you are happy with that fine. One last comment. The conditions relating to Expanding Ammunition are only relevant to the other conditions on your FAC and are NOT conditions in their own right. In fact all conditions confine you to something and DO NOT allow you to do something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 mry716 thats all very nice but he wants to know some loads for 22 250 and what people have found to work humanely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mry716 Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 So he does. Well I have used 36gns of H380 with a CCI magnum primer under a 55 grn Ballistic tip for the past 18+ years and have never had any reason to change. It is not the hottest of loads by quite a way in my rifle but is still accurate out to 500yds and for me that is what matters. The majority of my shots are around 200-350yds as now all the rifle is used for is Hares on emerging sugar beet. Verminer, Your initial post said you didn't want to spend time finding the best load but the likelihood of someone else's load being accurate in your rifle is slight and it could also of course also be lethal. you will have to spend some time working up loads unless you choose to buy PP ammo and save some money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 mry716 i see u use only 36 grains of h380 is that safe when speer lee etc say to start at 38 it must only be doing about 3000 ft a second just a guess do u know what its doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mry716 Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Trevor I find that load quite satisfactory and the velocities approximate to the book with 2 grains more powder. The are many examples where loads in one rifle seemingly give a considerable difference to the same load in another. (It is often down to component choice and chamber size). It is because of examnples like this that one must NEVER assume that loads suggested as excellent on this or any other site will provide someone else with the same performance (and saftey margin) when used in their rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
verminer Posted March 21, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 thanks for all of your replies, all very helpfull, Verminer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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