Livefast123 Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 (edited) The Rossi action is very well built and reliable, as Underdog stated you can get them chambered in .454 Casull which is a mighty powerful, heavy hitting cartridge. Have you thought about a .44 mag? When I bought my Rossi I wanted my lever gun to feel like it could have come out of the Wild West, so the little roughness the Rossi came with was authentic, the action is now lovely and shoots great. I prefer the frontier look of the Rossi to the modern prettiness of the Marlin if you know what I mean. The price difference is a lot of ammunition! Edited June 10, 2015 by Livefast123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert 888 Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Jamie they have two stainless 20" rossis in at field and falcon near wrexham north wales, both have had wood work done,one is oiled other has a ok varnish job. Never really looked at the rossi but I like the removable mag tube plug and direct mag feed. The scope fixture arangment fixing isn't the best tho. I prefer my winchester sorry,just feels a bit better and the heal and cheek to stock fit is better for me on the winchester over the rossi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 The Rossi action is very well built and reliable, as Underdog stated you can get them chambered in .454 Casull which is a mighty powerful, heavy hitting cartridge. Have you thought about a .44 mag? When I bought my Rossi I wanted my lever gun to feel like it could have come out of the Wild West, so the little roughness the Rossi came with was authentic, the action is now lovely and shoots great. I prefer the frontier look of the Rossi to the modern prettiness of the Marlin if you know what I mean. The price difference is a lot of ammunition! Thanks for all the help. OK, let's be more specific, if you would not mind please. I have narrowed it down to these guns (I added a Henry). If money was not an issue (I would rather spend a bit more and enjoy trouble free service from the rifle without having to worry about using it), which one would you recommend? The differences are £200-£300 which I do not consider to be too big. I just want the best gun possible from these ones... one two three four five Many thanks again for all the help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/scheda-prodotto.asp/l_en/idpr_181/rifles-rolling-block-rolling-block-baby-carbine.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 http://www.davide-pedersoli.com/scheda-prodotto.asp/l_en/idpr_181/rifles-rolling-block-rolling-block-baby-carbine.html Thanks for that. Any idea what the price is? It does not say, which worries me a bit! Any thoughts on the 5 guns I listed above? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Thanks for that. Any idea what the price is? It does not say, which worries me a bit! Any thoughts on the 5 guns I listed above? Me being daft. If ever I went to a 357 again I would consider a single shot like those Pedersoli rolling blocks or a falling block. I gave the Wong link really. The Mississippi models above are light in weight so I could hunt with one. Apparently they shoot well of sticks. In 357 you can shoot even pointed bullets designed for other .35 cartridges. Some ream to 357max chamber too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted June 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 I am sorry to hijack this thread, but would someone on the know comment on the validity of what I wrote above? To put it simply, I too am interested in buying a .357/38sp lever action, and I am looking for the most reliable rifle I can get. Naturally I looked at Marlin, and did some search that revealed that the new ones are not having the problems the ones immidiately after the takeover had. Does anyone know whether this is true? I guess I am worried that the rifle I will buy will not have a decent mechanical standing, especially in the action. I was told that Winchester 1894s were great, but you canot buy a new one anymore. A friend has a Rossi and he loves it, but he did comment on the fact that it is a bit 'rough on the edges'. Which brings me back to square 1. Any help will be greately appreciated! I've no problem with you joining in Psyxologos, The more the merrier, and the more info! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted June 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Jamie they have two stainless 20" rossis in at field and falcon near wrexham north wales, both have had wood work done,one is oiled other has a ok varnish job. Never really looked at the rossi but I like the removable mag tube plug and direct mag feed. The scope fixture arangment fixing isn't the best tho. I prefer my winchester sorry,just feels a bit better and the heal and cheek to stock fit is better for me on the winchester over the rossi. Thanks for the info Albert. I'd rather wait a bit and buy local. Partly as if there are any hassles, I can pop back to the shop. Even though, the owner is, as he always is, a complete D***! Even his staff moan about how poor his attitude is. It's a shame, as the staff are a good laugh. As for a scope rail, the lack of one is a pain. I'd unlikely mount one, but it's more a case of having the option. The rear sight is very basic. Although I did look at a used under lever rifle of some other make with a very nice peep sight. It looked very well engineered (to me anyhow) with horizontal and vertical adjustment via small screws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted June 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 As regards ammo, and reloading. It's crossed my mind tonight, whether I should buy the Lee dies in .38 Special, as they can be wound out to load .357 to. Or at least it states that on the .38 Special die box.... Although I've also read in a couple of places that .38's don't feed very well in the .357?? I know the .357 is cheap to reload, but again it's more a case of having the option. And a play with something different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 (edited) Personally I would use magnum cases and dies for all your loads for better feeding and to save getting the carbon ring of death in the chamber. The buckhorn sights take some getting used to but are authentic, the guns were made to aquire a target quickly therefore complex sights generally were not fitted. You can get various sights on the internet if you wish to upgrade such as Skinner peep sights, Williams, probably the sight you saw but require drilling and tapping on Rossi, Marbles sights and tang sights. The scope rail is easy to source now i know where to look! Edited June 12, 2015 by Livefast123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 Me being daft. If ever I went to a 357 again I would consider a single shot like those Pedersoli rolling blocks or a falling block. I gave the Wong link really. The Mississippi models above are light in weight so I could hunt with one. Apparently they shoot well of sticks. In 357 you can shoot even pointed bullets designed for other .35 cartridges. Some ream to 357max chamber too! Cheers. For me it is one of the five I listed, really. I just don't know which yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted June 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Personally I would use magnum cases and dies for all your loads for better feeding and to save getting the carbon ring of death in the chamber. The buckhorn sights take some getting used to but are authentic, the guns were made to aquire a target quickly therefore complex sights generally were not fitted. You can get various sights on the internet if you wish to upgrade such as Skinner peep sights, Williams, probably the sight you saw but require drilling and tapping on Rossi, Marbles sights and tang sights. The scope rail is easy to source now i know where to look! Would I be right in thinking the "carbon ring of death" is a carbon ring build up when using the shorter .38 Special loads, that then prevents you from loading a .357 round fully in the chamber? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Can be yes. Not much caming action on a leverguns so the ammo has to fit perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 Yep, with the shorter .38 cases you can develope a carbon ring which makes loading difficult. I feel guilty running target loads through my .44, feel it should be given something more manly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenshooter Posted June 13, 2015 Report Share Posted June 13, 2015 (edited) Put your sized brass in the tray right way up. Prime the cases but now put them in the tray upside down. Only charged case then will be the right way up and this way lessons the risk of double dosing. Thanks for this. The only reloading I do is light loads for my Martini Enfield and it is all too easy to get distracted, despite taking care. I'll still do the torch check but this seems a great safety addition. And I will soon be reloading light for my new Marlin.... Edited June 13, 2015 by Glenshooter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Thanks for this. The only reloading I do is light loads for my Martini Enfield and it is all too easy to get distracted, despite taking care. I'll still do the torch check but this seems a great safety addition. And I will soon be reloading light for my new Marlin.... Happy days. I had this notion a while ago doing light loads in bottle necked cases. So checking was a pain. This way any case right way up is charged, that's the golden rule so if there is a mistake you only load a bullet on an uncharged case not a double dosed case! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted July 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 Underdog, on 12 Jun 2015 - 06:08 AM, said: Me being daft. If ever I went to a 357 again I would consider a single shot like those Pedersoli rolling blocks or a falling block.I gave the Wong link really. The Mississippi models above are light in weight so I could hunt with one.Apparently they shoot well of sticks.In 357 you can shoot even pointed bullets designed for other .35 cartridges.Some ream to 357max chamber too! Hi Nathan, I've still not made my mind up, although I've bought everything to make the rounds up. For now, I've settled on 158 grain Hornady XTP bullets. Due to the scope mount issue, I've become quite fond of a .357 Henry in an RFD I visit sometimes.... But with regard to your above post, where would you find "pointed bullets"? And would there be any advantage over, say a XTP bullets I mention above? Cheers Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted July 6, 2015 Report Share Posted July 6, 2015 (edited) Underdog, on 12 Jun 2015 - 06:08 AM, said: Hi Nathan, I've still not made my mind up, although I've bought everything to make the rounds up. For now, I've settled on 158 grain Hornady XTP bullets. Due to the scope mount issue, I've become quite fond of a .357 Henry in an RFD I visit sometimes.... But with regard to your above post, where would you find "pointed bullets"? And would there be any advantage over, say a XTP bullets I mention above? Cheers Jamie Good question. I don't know, never had to look.I was going purely off my American friends using bullets designed for 35Rem, Whelan and 358Winchester oh, and 356Winchester. Somebody somewhere over here will have some. Casting moulds are available too for such. Is there any advantage, no not really. Its only for winding the energy figures up out of long throated chambers and barrels. I doubt I would bother. Xtp's are fine. The large HP are. The small HP version is a tough bullet! U. Edited July 6, 2015 by Underdog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted July 7, 2015 Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I think you can get Hornady Leverlution bullets which are pointy but have a soft polymer tip so that they can be used in a tubular magazine without a KB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted July 7, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2015 I'm going to have a closer look at the Henry .357 Mag in brass tomorrow. As long as it's the 2nd edition it should be drilled and tapped for a weaver type mount. However, the RFD concerned wants £50 for the scope rail. Granted it's a genuine Henry rail, but as long as it's good quality I don't mind what make it is! Does this sound expensive to you folks? Also, I've searched on the internet, but I can't find any other company who supplies the Henry rails. Does anyone know of another brand that isn't so expensive?? Cheers Jamie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psyxologos Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Aparently Marlin 1894s are not even in the production line yet. SMK confirmed that when I enquired in two different firearms dealers. They do not know just when they will get them manufactured, let alone shipped over here...I tried a Rossi but I did not feel like it fit well. I did not like the looks of the Chiappa they had either, and they did not have a Henry in stock, neither did they know when they would. I guess I will have to ait a few months and hope that Marlins start getting shipped in the UK again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 The modern Henry brass model is only brass coated and is based on a the German Erma werk action. Supposed to be good but usually no loading gate on the receiver. Some models have plastic barrel bands! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jam1e Posted July 8, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 The modern Henry brass model is only brass coated and is based on a the German Erma werk action. Supposed to be good but usually no loading gate on the receiver. Some models have plastic barrel bands! Typical really. Nothing is usually as it appears... It's the unfortunately named "Big Boy"...... The advert states "hardened brass receiver" and brass barrel band. It comes with an octagonal barrel. They look very well made. I'll have a look and see what I think. I can't help but think, for the price of the Henry, I could buy the basic Rossi Puma in .357 Mag, and have change for a mint .22 WMR as well. 2 guns, and 2 lots of fun for the price of one..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underdog Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Typical really. Nothing is usually as it appears... It's the unfortunately named "Big Boy"...... The advert states "hardened brass receiver" and brass barrel band. It comes with an octagonal barrel. They look very well made. I'll have a look and see what I think. I can't help but think, for the price of the Henry, I could buy the basic Rossi Puma in .357 Mag, and have change for a mint .22 WMR as well. 2 guns, and 2 lots of fun for the price of one..... Yeah and just scope wmr!You will be surprised once you forget to try and see every minute detail of your target just how well you will shoot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livefast123 Posted July 8, 2015 Report Share Posted July 8, 2015 Just got back from the range and sent 100 240gr nuggets flying without fault. That rail sounds awfully expensive, what you need to do is make a few friends on the American forums and get them to send the parts across to you. I managed to get a member on Rossi Riflemen to buy and send a genuine Rossi scope rail across. Price with postage........$29 The 'Big Boy' is a thing of beauty but as you say you could buy a lot with the difference in the price of a Rossi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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