One for the builders

[Mungler]

Anyone know anything about:

1. fire regs for a restaurant - particularly for between floors

2. sprinkler systems / options 

3. sound proofing - materials, off the shelf systems, methodologies etc 

ta very 

[eddoakley]

Unfortunately yes.

What do you need to know?

Edd

1 hour ago, Mungler said:

Anyone know anything about:

1. fire regs for a restaurant - particularly for between floors

2. sprinkler systems / options 

3. sound proofing - materials, off the shelf systems, methodologies etc 

ta very 

 

[Mungler]

Our usual builder has stripped out a ground floor shop / basement (used as a bar / restaurant) and there’s a 1st floor residential flat above.

Theres potential to get a mansard on top as an additional 2nd floor but the planning consultant says p-permission is 1 to 2 years away.

I have a tenant desperate to get in - will take 15 year lease, credentials as good as they can ever get.

Having stripped out the restaurant (ceiling down and back to brick on the walls) I want to make the downstairs as ‘future proof’ as possible and assuming that I will get planning in the months / years to come.

That means looking at sound proofing and fire protection now - eg installing a simple / manually operated sprinkler system now in the restaurant whilst everything is stripped out will be easy. Ditto steels for the extra floor (structural engineer already working on that).

I’ve never had to go near sound insulation before and don’t know where to start. I don’t ‘need’ a sprinkler system, but putting one in now (even just for the kitchen) is too good an opportunity to miss.  

 

[Scully]

Warmcel is about the best insulation you can get. Fabulous soundproofing, insulation and fire retardant. 
A product called Isoflok has the same properties. We used both. 

[eddoakley]

1 hour ago, Mungler said:

Our usual builder has stripped out a ground floor shop / basement (used as a bar / restaurant) and there’s a 1st floor residential flat above.

Theres potential to get a mansard on top as an additional 2nd floor but the planning consultant says p-permission is 1 to 2 years away.

I have a tenant desperate to get in - will take 15 year lease, credentials as good as they can ever get.

Having stripped out the restaurant (ceiling down and back to brick on the walls) I want to make the downstairs as ‘future proof’ as possible and assuming that I will get planning in the months / years to come.

That means looking at sound proofing and fire protection now - eg installing a simple / manually operated sprinkler system now in the restaurant whilst everything is stripped out will be easy. Ditto steels for the extra floor (structural engineer already working on that).

I’ve never had to go near sound insulation before and don’t know where to start. I don’t ‘need’ a sprinkler system, but putting one in now (even just for the kitchen) is too good an opportunity to miss.  

 

Easy answer is to look at standard Robust Detail which will keep your building inspector happy.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.robustdetails.com/&ved=2ahUKEwiAoe21qoX4AhXRlFwKHWe2B0MQFnoECAMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1uY-PRO-Sr1bz7PmoNjKUX

Just finished something similar with flat conversions above a restaurant and new kitchen extension. 5 layers to the floors got pretty expensive! (18mm board, acoustic slab, dense acoustic plank, 22mm board and one other that I happily forget).

Also acoustic and fire rated ceiling with rockwool in voids.

For acoustic insulation I'd be belt and braces as there's the potential for a whole load of hassle if you can't pass a sound test.

If you have specific questions feel free.

Edd

Edited May 29, 2022 by eddoakley

[Mungler]

10 hours ago, eddoakley said:

Easy answer is to look at standard Robust Detail which will keep your building inspector happy.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.robustdetails.com/&ved=2ahUKEwiAoe21qoX4AhXRlFwKHWe2B0MQFnoECAMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1uY-PRO-Sr1bz7PmoNjKUX

Just finished something similar with flat conversions above a restaurant and new kitchen extension. 5 layers to the floors got pretty expensive! (18mm board, acoustic slab, dense acoustic plank, 22mm board and one other that I happily forget).

Also acoustic and fire rated ceiling with rockwool in voids.

For acoustic insulation I'd be belt and braces as there's the potential for a whole load of hassle if you can't pass a sound test.

If you have specific questions feel free.

Edd

Cheers Edd, I’m going to do some research and reading in on that lot today.