Oly Posted October 20, 2007 Report Share Posted October 20, 2007 Think you've hit the nail on the head there Dunganick , seems like Grandad is stuck in his ways!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Well said!! Crafty edit there Dunganick. LOL well spotted, kicked myself when i read that one back, you knew what i meant though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRDS Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Dunganick, I challenge you to show us PROOF of your tests. If your mind needs that kind of assurance then good luck to you. I'll need more convincing, and in the meantime I'm really enjoying my shooting without having to think about chokes etc. I didn't wish to shoot the Teagues because I don't believe I need that reassurance. I just wanted the Grade Five and it happened to come with Teagues. My other gun is a Browning 525, fitted with standard Invectors, and I shoot well with that one too. I'm happy, and I only have myself to blame if I don't shoot well. Unlike you I don't need that help, and I wasn't 'jumping the gun' because I had no intention of using the Teague chokes when I ordered the MK38. Edit: Whoops, how did that happen?? Terrets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john faul Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 i have a mirouku 38 trap version with the adjustable comb i shoot mostly game with it and i love it i would reccomend it to any one as long as it fits you nicely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 i use the one in my sig. and have had no complaints when using it, from me or the many many things its shot and killed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invector Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 Oly, I might be 'stuck in my ways' but I've been out today, after watching some OSR since Thursday. Noted that 60 plus pigeons were feeding on a warm slope, where the OSR was a bit thin. Set up, just that bit late due to the mist and frost,(around 11am.) Sun at my back and wind from right to left. Slow at first, but I ended up with 41 pigeons and a crow for 79 cartridges. Not bad for an old grandad!! I didn't think once about chokes, the gun or the cartridges, just shot 'em dead. I used my Browning 525 with standard Invector 1/4 and 3/4 chokes. Who needs Teagues?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 41 pigeons and a crow for 79 cartridges. Not bad for an old grandad!! Who needs Teagues? ~53% sucess rate...I certainly wouldn't be happy with that - personally I would be looking at the whole set up to figure out what's wrong (and that would include myself as well as my gun)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunganick Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 not sure we are accomplishing much here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted October 21, 2007 Report Share Posted October 21, 2007 41 pigeons and a crow for 79 cartridges. Not bad for an old grandad!! Who needs Teagues? ~53% sucess rate...I certainly wouldn't be happy with that - personally I would be looking at the whole set up to figure out what's wrong (and that would include myself as well as my gun)! A 2:1 success rate when pigeon shooting aint that bad Oly - give the guy a break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 A 2:1 success rate when pigeon shooting aint that bad Oly - give the guy a break Fair play, isn't too bad I suppose...I personally wouldn't be happy, but that could just be me! I certainly don't appreciate being told to 'draw my neck in' though for no good reason. Just because an old codger has been shooting longer than me doesn't automatically mean he's a better or wiser shot After all 17 years shooting out of 27 isn't bad! :blink: I think I have reaslised you can't teach an old dog new tricks not because he knows them all, but because you simply CAN'T do it...they're just too stubborn!!! And before it's said again, I too am not much of a choke man (changing them perhaps once a year, if that), but junking some of the best chokes out there without just trying them it crazy in my book ...I wouldn't even treat some half reasonable invectors like that!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 i agree with you mate - but people get stuck in thier ways and it doesn't matter what we say or do, we wont make em change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Cheers mate, I'm hoping I won't get drawn back into this one, I've said my piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdunc Posted October 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Ok chaps, since all the choke battling seems to have settled down, may I put this topic back somewhere on theme. Was in the gunshop today and had a good look at the Miroku MK70 which had too low a comb, the Browning 525 sporter which felt nice but ended up putting a deposit down on a Beretta 682 Gold E which is used but not much as the shop had sold it and got it back 6 months or so later. It just felt the best and with some nice wood and the plain engraving I favour. Just waiting on the cert. before I can get out with it as I've a pheasant shoot on the 3rd of Nov. and hope to have my own shotty for it! Thanks for the advice and the interesting views on chokes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 It's always good to find a gun that fits & does what you want for 'as new' condition...let someone else take the sting out of the price tag! :blink: Well done gdunc, hope it works out well for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdunc Posted October 22, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 It's always good to find a gun that fits & does what you want for 'as new' condition...let someone else take the sting out of the price tag! :blink: Well done gdunc, hope it works out well for you. Cheers mate, I had entered with a bit of a mindset of 'everyone has a beretta, get something different' but it was the most comfortable gun I tried and, though I've not had a shot with it, feels nice to swing. There was an international team clay shooter came into the shop and spoke highly of them and reckoned it would suit my 'all rounder' requirements. Maybe he's primed by the owner to come in with every guy who is dithering over a sale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 I had entered with a bit of a mindset of 'everyone has a beretta, get something different' but it was the most comfortable gun I tried and, though I've not had a shot with it, feels nice to swing. I know what you mean...but I try to put all of that out of my head when I look for guns...so long as it fits and shoots straight for you (and your happy with it...as much of shooting is in your mind rather than your hands!) then that's all that counts. Sorry if the tread went a little off topic for abit there. There was an international team clay shooter came into the shop and spoke highly of them and reckoned it would suit my 'all rounder' requirements. Maybe he's primed by the owner to come in with every guy who is dithering over a sale? Now there's a thought!! :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invector Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Don't tell Oly, but I really am set in my ways. I started out with a Greener GP single barrel and graduated, through a side by side, made in France by MAC, to several English SXS guns by Cogswell and Harrison, Charles Hellis, Wm Evans, Geo Gibbs and Holland and Holland. Autos by Browning (5 shot and 2 shot) Luigi Franchi, Breda, Benelli, and OUs by Beretta, Browning, Miroku,(MK10 and MK38) Bettinsoli and Lanber. I'm sure I've missed a few out. There were various hammer guns and a Lefaucheux pinfire gun I bought because it came with some cartridges, and I just had to try it out. I sold it for thirty quid and it went on the wall of a now defunct gunshop. I went through the'choke thing' in the early stages, as we all do, but now I'm cured. Cured enough to dump the Teague chokes for Invector Plus, because I know they don't make a difference. It really isn't a matter of not being able to change, I just grew up!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Cured enough to dump the Teague chokes for Invector Plus, because I know they don't make a difference. Everyone else - sorry to do this again - but I just need to know!!! Invector - If they don't make a difference, why change them I'm not being funny but it just seems a little... :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJ Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Back to the original question then, I went to try some new MK's and ended up buying a s/h Miroku 7000 which I love. It felt instantly right and IMO that's the only way to choose a gun. I shoot clays and pigeon/rabbit roughly 50/50%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invector Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Oly, OK, an explanation. The shop had a Miroku MK38 in stock and I didn't quite have the cash. I procastinated too long and it was sold at the Midland. I then ordered an identical gun, Grade 5, which was sent from Belgium, unfortunately with scratches on the barrels, under the forend where nobody noticed. I the re-ordered, and the gun I now own, came in from Belgium. This model came with extended Teague chokes and, as I don't need to change my chokes that often, especially with my fingers, I had the option of flush fitting Teagues, with the friction fit key. This type of engineering doesn't suit everybody, and some have experienced the chokes coming undone, because they can't be tightened enough, and some have had them stick, with a devil of a job to get them undone, without the usual lug/castellated system. My solution, because I'm definitely NOT a choke person, was to swap the Teagues for Invector Plus because I honestly don't think it matters. Not for me anyway, and I doubt if you can prove they make a difference, except in the mind. Unlike some, I haven't been mind****ked by the fashion tarts, and ad men, into believing I MUST have aftermarket superchokes to shoot well. That's OK for the clay shooters I suppose but then that's a totally different mind game. I hope the above explains why,( probably) in your opinion, I'm out of step with modern thinking. I enjoy my shooting without worrying about that little piece of metal at the end of my barrel, when so many others things affect how a gun shoots and patterns. I've done the choke thing and it's dead and buried. Nice to have had this discussion because now you know there are mad **** out there who don't think like you. I can't explain how the young Invector worried and fussed over choke in the past but I'm sure you can understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oly Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Invector - thanks for the explanation...it makes full sense now and I can fully appreciate why you did what you did. Like I've been saying all along though; I too am of the same mind set as yourself - the only reason I have teagues as they came with the gun, if it had come with invectors I would have lived with them. The only difference between us is that I would have seen how the original chokes went, then made the desicion to change them if required - but I can now fully see where your coming from. Many thanks, much appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invector Posted October 24, 2007 Report Share Posted October 24, 2007 Oly, Thanks for that. On the subject of chokes, the Charles Hellis side by side I mentioned was another revelation. It had beautifully carved fences, with grapes and vine leaves, and I just had to buy it. It also had a non-selective single trigger, and I had been using it for a while before I realised the left hand barrel fired before the right. I was giving birds the tighter choke before the more open one, and I couldn't change it because it was non-selective. It turned out the gun was made especially for driven partridge, where the first bird was farther away than the second. Naturally I part exchanged that one very quickly. Happy shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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