al4x Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 As said the colouring is a genetic abnormality and does occur quite naturally but skips generations etc so though they are nice to see they are simply a deer. We had a lot round us that were culled to stop poaching, they stand out like a sore thumb unlike normal fallow and in the keepers opinion it made them far less visible as a herd. We still see the odd one but at one point there were about 20 albino's in the local area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 As said the colouring is a genetic abnormality and does occur quite naturally but skips generations etc so though they are nice to see they are simply a deer. We had a lot round us that were culled to stop poaching, they stand out like a sore thumb unlike normal fallow and in the keepers opinion it made them far less visible as a herd. We still see the odd one but at one point there were about 20 albino's in the local area Ah like Ginger people then SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_zero Posted October 30, 2007 Report Share Posted October 30, 2007 As said the colouring is a genetic abnormality and does occur quite naturally but skips generations etc so though they are nice to see they are simply a deer. We had a lot round us that were culled to stop poaching, they stand out like a sore thumb unlike normal fallow and in the keepers opinion it made them far less visible as a herd. We still see the odd one but at one point there were about 20 albino's in the local area Fallow are a totally different. Fallow deer have the widest range of colours of all UK deer. The deer range from pure white (these are NOT albino's) right to pure black. This is normal for fallow and to cull based on colour shows no real understanding of the deer species. It really saddens me, the lack of knowledge and understanding. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v-max Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 As said the colouring is a genetic abnormality and does occur quite naturally but skips generations etc so though they are nice to see they are simply a deer. We had a lot round us that were culled to stop poaching, they stand out like a sore thumb unlike normal fallow and in the keepers opinion it made them far less visible as a herd. We still see the odd one but at one point there were about 20 albino's in the local area Fallow are a totally different. Fallow deer have the widest range of colours of all UK deer. The deer range from pure white (these are NOT albino's) right to pure black. This is normal for fallow and to cull based on colour shows no real understanding of the deer species. It really saddens me, the lack of knowledge and understanding. John Well said hunter zero but i think he did mean reds or i hope he did.I myself have no fallow experiance but know they vary in colour & thus not to cull them on that matter.But i know where they might be comming from with the poaching thing bit difficult matter to sort out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 I agree that the colour differance occurs in these animals - but i still say that for deer management you need to try and make sure only the best bucks breed, thus the cull of an Albino buck is needed to make sure the blood lines are the best they can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 I agree that the colour differance occurs in these animals - but i still say that for deer management you need to try and make sure only the best bucks breed, thus the cull of an Albino buck is needed to make sure the blood lines are the best they can be. HZ you seem to think that you are the best authority on Deers and stalking, but you seem to have forgotten that this is a forum and as such the clue is in the title, it is a place where all members can place their opinions and something you may think right or correct is not necessarily what others may think. I spoke to a friend of mine who has been Deer stalking for many years all DSC'd and DMQ'd up and he said if that had been on his patch he would have had no hesitation to cull it due to the possible genetic problems it may have brought about in its offspring and hence future generations after. Trophy shot or cull reason, there was no law that said that this deer couldn't be shot, all you have to do is think morally and if in the stalker's mind had decided that morally it was correct, then what is the problem. Do you know the area, where you there when the decision was made, was it ill, lame, "going back" as somebody mentioned earlier on. It is easy to criticise people without knowing the full facts. Personally as long as he had permission and in that knew the resident numbers and condition of the beast, then I don't see a problem. SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_zero Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 HZ you seem to think that you are the best authority on Deers and stalking, but you seem to have forgotten that this is a forum and as such the clue is in the title [snip] I spoke to a friend of mine who has been Deer stalking for many years all DSC'd and DMQ'd up and he said if that had been on his patch he would have had no hesitation to cull it due to the possible genetic problems it may have brought about in its offspring and hence future generations after. SS SIR I will not banter. You are welcome to you opinion as I. Your friend is an ***, if he thinks white fallow deer carry a genetic mishap, or you may be an *** for not understanding the difference between fallow and red deer, either way you are welcome to your opinion. There is a saying in life "don't argue with an idiot, because he will bring you to his level and then beat you with experience", I'll step back. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_zero Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 I agree that the colour differance occurs in these animals - but i still say that for deer management you need to try and make sure only the best bucks breed, thus the cull of an Albino buck is needed to make sure the blood lines are the best they can be. No, not in the case of Fallow. Colour has nothing to do with culling. You are right in as much as you need the best bucks to breed but how do you select the "best" buck? A deer management plan is made up for a percentage of different beasts. Young, Old, Male, Female etc etc. The exact percentages will adjust the population. Most will be young deer, this mimics the way in which natural predation would select the deer, then of course you need to cull older deer, imperfect deer (eg. murder bucks in roe or a white red stag) etc. The white Red deer, is of course a totally different case, this is referring to FALLOW deer and specifically the colour variances. Any fool and kill a deer, its easy. With a 24" kill zone, a cross eyed drunkard could hardly miss, it selecting the right deer to shoot. That's where skill and knowledge separates the deerslayer from the deer manager or stalker. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_zero Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 i think he did mean reds There isn't going to be 20 white reds John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tulkyuk Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 I did mean reds and not fallow - i have shot fallow in many different colours - last one i shot was an almost black feller with a bent front antler that was curling round and virtually touching its scull Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_zero Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 I did mean reds and not fallow - i have shot fallow in many different colours - last one i shot was an almost black feller with a bent front antler that was curling round and virtually touching its scull I was referring to the post made by al4x with regards to the keep that shot *all* the white fallow. The fallow you culled was a classic example of a good cull beast. Did the deer have any visible signs of damage? Often you will find damage to the testicles from barbed wire. Accidents can occur during Velvet and the antlers don't form well. I've seen some strange formed antler in Roe due to fluke and indeed some very strange brow tines on fallow which seem to have occurred for no real reason. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suffolk shooter Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Well sorry HZ I bow to your superior knowledge, and my friend who has been shooting deer for in excess of 20 years across the country and teaches people obviously knows nothing. According to you, you are right and others are wrong SS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter_zero Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 I spoke to a friend of mine who has been Deer stalking for many years all DSC'd and DMQ'd up and he said if that had been on his patch he would have had no hesitation to cull it due to the possible genetic problems it may have brought about in its offspring and hence future generations after. Well sorry HZ I bow to your superior knowledge, and my friend who has been shooting deer for in excess of 20 years across the country and teaches people obviously knows nothing. According to you, you are right and others are wrong SS You will find that you have become confused over which species of deer I was referring too. If you actually read this thread you will see that I agree the white *STAG* needed to be culled, however I do not agree with the absurd notion that white fallows are abnormal and should be culled. I too am "all DMQ'ed up" and have many more professional qualifications to back it up but anyone who claims white fallow deer are bad breeding stock and need to be culled is an idiot. I would suggest you go and have a chat to your knowledgeable chum and ask him the difference between the two species and how he would react. The by all means make you opinion known, based on a semi educated understanding. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAVAGE HMR Posted November 8, 2007 Report Share Posted November 8, 2007 Well anything to make the guy feel better about the size of his penis! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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