janner Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 2 hours ago, moondoggy said: +1 Just watch this snowball grow. And melt away when folk realise what a load of fruitloops the membership and candidates are, Oh, hang on a minute, its just started, the boss has only been in the job a couple of weeks and he's already screwed up by making public his love of all things putinist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 17 minutes ago, janner said: And melt away when folk realise what a load of fruitloops the membership and candidates are, Oh, hang on a minute, its just started, the boss has only been in the job a couple of weeks and he's already screwed up by making public his love of all things putinist. We can discuss this on the farage thread, but it's nothing short of a smear campaign, with part of a sentence taken out of context, read the full quote and you'll see what he was saying is that by Nato pushing up to Russians border, it gave putin the excuse he needed to invade. That assessment is probably correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janner Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 (edited) On 21/06/2024 at 12:42, serrac said: I don't see that - their actions demonstrate they are in direct conflict with several basic tenets of right wing thinking: The political "right" refers to a spectrum of political ideologies and positions that typically emphasize the following key principles: Conservatism: A commitment to traditional values and institutions, including family, religion, and national heritage. This often involves a resistance to rapid or radical changes in society and a preference for gradual evolution within established frameworks. Economic Liberalism: Support for free-market capitalism, including minimal government intervention in the economy. This includes policies that favor deregulation, privatization, and lower taxes, which are believed to encourage entrepreneurship and economic growth. Individualism: A focus on individual rights and responsibilities. Right-wing ideologies often prioritize personal freedom, self-reliance, and individual achievement over collective or state-managed solutions. Law and Order: A strong emphasis on maintaining public order, safety, and security. This can include support for strict law enforcement, a robust military, and policies aimed at reducing crime and illegal immigration. Nationalism: A belief in the importance of national sovereignty and identity. This often involves a strong sense of patriotism and a desire to protect and promote the interests of one's own nation, sometimes in opposition to globalist or internationalist perspectives. Cultural and Social Conservatism: Advocacy for maintaining traditional social norms and resisting progressive changes in areas such as gender roles, marriage, and education. This can include opposition to movements seen as challenging these norms, such as feminism, LGBTQ+ rights, and multiculturalism. ~~~~~~ And it seems a few fellow travellers of these environmental nutters may have actually found their way onto the bench of the highest court in the land.https://news.sky.com/story/future-of-new-oil-and-gas-projects-in-uk-thrown-into-doubt-after-landmark-supreme-court-decision-13155934 Thats what they are about, They are so resistant to the way that the world is changing that their followers, mostly middle class educated whites have infiltrated governments and have had 'international' laws passed that force sovereign states to obey laws to the detriment of the individual, They think that their personal freedom to obstruct others going about their business is justified as they want to preserve the way our society functions, ultra conservative if you will, Their sworn enemies are, as you write, the multinational and globalist corporations, They want to restrict our freedom to travel not only from, as you write from one country to the next but any fekin where to anywhere else unless its by impossible 'carbon neutral' means, They are scared of the change to society and to their priviliged white position that any freedom of movement and the change to society that the economic migration will bring, thats one part of their daft protest, not for immigration but to stop it, they protest against a government that does nothing to stop the migration or the causes of the migrations, Thats what they are protesting about, the change that is happening, they are ultra conservatives protesting against governments and the economics that are forcing societies all over to change, you cannot get more conservative. All the vegetarians i have ever met seem to be holier than tho' self entitled neo fascists. Blindly Following your government and not thinking for yourself doesnt make you right or left wing, It makes you stupid, Edited June 22 by janner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12gauge82 Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 16 minutes ago, janner said: Thats what they are about, They are so resistant to the way that the world is changing that their followers, mostly middle class educated whites have infiltrated governments and have had 'international' laws passed that force sovereign states to obey laws to the detriment of the individual, They think that their personal freedom to obstruct others going about their business is justified as they want to preserve the way our society functions, ultra conservative if you will, Their sworn enemies are, as you write, the multinational and globalist corporations, They want to restrict our freedom to travel not only from, as you write from one country to the next but any fekin where to anywhere else unless its by impossible 'carbon neutral' means, They are scared of the change to society and to their priviliged white position that any freedom of movement and the change to society that the economic migration will bring, thats one part of their daft protest, not for immigration but to stop it, they protest against a government that does nothing to stop the migration or the causes of the migrations, Thats what they are protesting about, the change that is happening, they are ultra conservative protesting against governments and the economics that are forcing societies all over to change, you cannot get more conservative. All the vegetarians i have ever met seem to be holier than tho' self entitled neo fascists. 😂😂😂 You'll be arguing the green party are right wing next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janner Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 1 minute ago, 12gauge82 said: 😂😂😂 You'll be arguing the green party are right wing next. Have a look at German policies in the late 30's on renewable energy, organic farming,vegetarianism and living in harmony with the planet, the very time and place when the modern ecology movement was born, i am not getting into godwins law but have a look at the similarities in the aims of the vegan greens to those proposed and advocated in that dark period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serrac Posted June 25 Report Share Posted June 25 On 22/06/2024 at 13:37, janner said: Thats what they are about, They are so resistant to the way that the world is changing that their followers, mostly middle class educated whites have infiltrated governments and have had 'international' laws passed that force sovereign states to obey laws to the detriment of the individual,Then the "middle class educated whites" clearly haven't thought this through or they would have realised that the green agenda they are promoting would plunge us back into the dark ages - not the best plan if you're resistant to change... They think that their personal freedom to obstruct others going about their business is justified as they want to preserve the way our society functions, ultra conservative if you will.The green agenda would obstruct everyone from going about their business, including or especially "middle class educated whites". Again, no actual motive for them to promote green policies. Their sworn enemies are, as you write, the multinational and globalist corporations."middle class educated whites" generally have their savings and pensions heavily invested in multinational and globalist corporations, so hardly sworn enemies of these. They want to restrict our freedom to travel not only from, as you write from one country to the next but any fekin where to anywhere else unless its by impossible 'carbon neutral' means,"middle class educated whites" are more than likely overrepresented in international travel, so again not in their best interests to interfere with that. They are scared of the change to society and to their priviliged white position that any freedom of movement and the change to society that the economic migration will bring, thats one part of their daft protest, not for immigration but to stop it, they protest against a government that does nothing to stop the migration or the causes of the migrations,What's this got to do with the green agenda? I hear greens protesting about climate change, not immigration. Thats what they are protesting about, the change that is happening, they are ultra conservatives protesting against governments and the economics that are forcing societies all over to change, you cannot get more conservative.Greens tactics are aimed at forcing changes in government policies which will radically change economies around the world. All the vegetarians i have ever met seem to be holier than tho' self entitled neo fascists.Maybe you just bring that out in them 😏 Blindly Following your government and not thinking for yourself doesnt make you right or left wing, It makes you stupid,<comment deleted> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janner Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 Your points contradict each other, I will just say that if you cant comprehend how climate change will cause migration then i suggest you start using the brain that god gave you, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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