eightlittlebits Posted June 27 Report Share Posted June 27 The statistics on firearm and shotgun certificates from the gubbermint published this morning. Paints a lovely rosy picture Quote In the year ending 31 March 2024, the number of revoked firearm and shotgun certificates, and refused applications for new certificates were the highest since comparable records began. Hampshire at least seem to be back on track with grant numbers after 3 years of being around half comparable counties (still waiting for mine though), now they just have a 12-18 month backlog to catch up on... Report: Statistics on firearm and shotgun certificates, England and Wales: April 2023 to March 2024 - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) Data: Firearm and shotgun certificates, April 2023 to March 2024 - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 27 Report Share Posted June 27 Perhaps I have missed it, but I couldn't see any statistics for licences voluntarily surrendered. They just seemed to be refusals and revocations in the Government figures. Not sure why the OP describes it as a lovely rosy picture or who the "gubbermint" is. 🙂 Blame predictive text, but where did predictive text get that one from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightlittlebits Posted June 27 Author Report Share Posted June 27 3 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Not sure why the OP describes it as a lovely rosy picture or who the "gubbermint" is. 🙂 Blame predictive text, but where did predictive text get that one from. sarcasm and a play on government. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoli 12 guage Posted June 27 Report Share Posted June 27 47 minutes ago, eightlittlebits said: sarcasm and a play on government. 🙂 I don't think so🤔 the current "crop" aren't playing and they're soon to be followed by another,different,shower of guano👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightlittlebits Posted June 28 Author Report Share Posted June 28 17 hours ago, Zoli 12 guage said: I don't think so🤔 the current "crop" aren't playing and they're soon to be followed by another,different,shower of guano👍 Hm? It was a play on the word government/gubbermint? I do my best to avoid political commentary if I can help it. The "rosy picture" was sarcasm. Lowest number of certificates on issue, the highest number of refusals, the highest number of revocations. Doesn't suggest it's going in a great direction already, regardless of who follows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyd Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 23 hours ago, eightlittlebits said: now they just have a 12-18 month backlog to catch up on... Where did you find information about backlog? I wasn't able to find statistics on backlog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightlittlebits Posted June 28 Author Report Share Posted June 28 11 minutes ago, Cyd said: Where did you find information about backlog? I wasn't able to find statistics on backlog. No stats on that I'm afraid, that came from the fact they were processing half as many grants as similar counties over the previous 3 years and the last email I got from them telling me it was now a "12 months from submission" wait. Hopefully the updated BASC league table at Firearms licensing league table - BASC will have more detail on timescales when an update is published. I got a reply from BASC in April saying they would be updating "when the figures were available". @Conor O'Gorman Is there any update as to availability of new figures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 2 hours ago, eightlittlebits said: No stats on that I'm afraid, that came from the fact they were processing half as many grants as similar counties over the previous 3 years and the last email I got from them telling me it was now a "12 months from submission" wait. Hopefully the updated BASC league table at Firearms licensing league table - BASC will have more detail on timescales when an update is published. I got a reply from BASC in April saying they would be updating "when the figures were available". @Conor O'Gorman Is there any update as to availability of new figures? We are following up with newly elected PCCs for worst performing forces based on data we have. No plans for an updated league table currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightlittlebits Posted June 28 Author Report Share Posted June 28 2 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said: We are following up with newly elected PCCs for worst performing forces based on data we have. No plans for an updated league table currently. Shame, it's nice to have the relevant information out there for people applying given the incredibly poor communication that seems to come from most forces at the minute. This was the reply I received back in April Quote These figures were updated in 2022. The latest information will not be available until May but we will be collating a fresh list when they are available. Kind Regards Rachel Rachel Swansborough Operations Co-ordinator South East Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 2 minutes ago, eightlittlebits said: Shame, it's nice to have the relevant information out there for people applying given the incredibly poor communication that seems to come from most forces at the minute. This was the reply I received back in April Hopefully more updates like this in pipeline: https://basc.org.uk/additional-resources-for-firearms-licensing-in-cumbria-following-basc-meeting/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightlittlebits Posted June 28 Author Report Share Posted June 28 2 minutes ago, Conor O'Gorman said: Hopefully more updates like this in pipeline: https://basc.org.uk/additional-resources-for-firearms-licensing-in-cumbria-following-basc-meeting/ Doesn't help if they're not on your "worst performing" list though. Those that have been historically bad have the pressure from organisations like yourselves to make improvements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 2 hours ago, eightlittlebits said: Doesn't help if they're not on your "worst performing" list though. Those that have been historically bad have the pressure from organisations like yourselves to make improvements. The BASC league table started circa 2017 and may re-appear but right now we are following up with newly elected PCCs for worst performing forces based on data we have. Each force is different and some need more resources and some need to use their resources more efficiently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CumbrianWildfowler Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 On 28/06/2024 at 19:44, Conor O'Gorman said: The BASC league table started circa 2017 and may re-appear but right now we are following up with newly elected PCCs for worst performing forces based on data we have. Each force is different and some need more resources and some need to use their resources more efficiently. I'll save you the trouble Conor, it has to be Cumbria at number 1. No other force can be as bad. It's not possible. I've got some email replies from them from last year that I won't show as they are barely professional and fear repercussions if I showed how lousy they are/were. The former PCC, as you will know, committed to remove the back log by 22nd July. Let's see , I have lost all faith in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 32 minutes ago, CumbrianWildfowler said: I'll save you the trouble Conor, it has to be Cumbria at number 1. No other force can be as bad. It's not possible. I've got some email replies from them from last year that I won't show as they are barely professional and fear repercussions if I showed how lousy they are/were. The former PCC, as you will know, committed to remove the back log by 22nd July. Let's see , I have lost all faith in them. We will hold Cumbria accountable to the 22 July backlog clearance commitment. Below is a list of the poorest performing forces based on our data from end of last year. Those marked with an Asterix * are either improving or have credible plans to provide a better service. Cumbria* Devon & Cornwall* Dorset* Durham Dyfed-Powys* Gloucestershire Gwent MPS* Northamptonshire Northumbria S Wales W Mercia Wiltshire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 Quote This was the reply I received back in April Perhaps you should remove the officer's name. It is unusual and shouldn't be broadcast to all and sundry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eightlittlebits Posted June 29 Author Report Share Posted June 29 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Gordon R said: Perhaps you should remove the officer's name. It is unusual and shouldn't be broadcast to all and sundry. Officer? It was a reply from the BASC contact form? Her name, job title and in fact her photo are published on the BASC South East page on the BASC website. Even so I've tried to see if there's a way to remove it but it doesn't seem to allow an edit of the post. Edited June 29 by eightlittlebits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon R Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 My error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conor O'Gorman Posted July 15 Report Share Posted July 15 Update from Shooting Times here: https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/news/fieldsports-should-be-accessible-to-all-148682/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackinbox99 Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 (edited) Northamptonshire are still struggling. I submitted my renewal online back in Jan 2023, all forms completed, doctor form all signed, references done. Nothing had changed, no medical issues or criminal convictions etc. Sensible married man in a responsible office job. It was a straight forward renewal - my 8th renewal I think. So should be a simple tick box exercise in theory. After reading in the BASC magazine that Essex processed a renewal in 1 week posting the renewed certificate out to the applicant, I was hopeful this would be a quick process. Here we are 20 months later and still no sign of my certificate! Ive chased a couple of times only to be told they are working on it and they have "extended my licence electronically so its still valid" whilst they deal with their backlog. However without a physical certificate in my hands ive been unable to buy/sell any guns or even buy cartridges since my old paper certificate expired. Hopefully they are seeing light at the end of the tunnel now, but for straight forward renewals you would hope they would have a simple fast track process in place, allowing them to focus on new applicants or applicants who might have some red flags such as medical issues, or in trouble with the law etc. Edited August 20 by jackinbox99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TIGHTCHOKE Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 2 hours ago, jackinbox99 said: Northamptonshire are still struggling. I submitted my renewal online back in Jan 2023, all forms completed, doctor form all signed, references done. Nothing had changed, no medical issues or criminal convictions etc. Sensible married man in a responsible office job. It was a straight forward renewal - my 8th renewal I think. So should be a simple tick box exercise in theory. After reading in the BASC magazine that Essex processed a renewal in 1 week posting the renewed certificate out to the applicant, I was hopeful this would be a quick process. Here we are 20 months later and still no sign of my certificate! Ive chased a couple of times only to be told they are working on it and they have "extended my licence electronically so its still valid" whilst they deal with their backlog. However without a physical certificate in my hands ive been unable to buy/sell any guns or even buy cartridges since my old paper certificate expired. Hopefully they are seeing light at the end of the tunnel now, but for straight forward renewals you would hope they would have a simple fast track process in place, allowing them to focus on new applicants or applicants who might have some red flags such as medical issues, or in trouble with the law etc. Perhaps you should be contacting the Chief Constable and your PCC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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