berettaman1 Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 I run a 98 Rover diesel yesterday I parked up went into a gunshop, came out, and it would not fire up, I checked that fuel was passing through the filter OK, then checked the two fuses that control the engine management, they were ok, any good mechanic out there who has an idea please? its not the cambelt(replaced last August. new battery 3 weeks ago.) After waiting 2 hours plus my second daughter came out and towed me home(Jeeze time for brown underpants or what) she has never towed anyone before, and with no power steering or servo I put my car into 5th gear at times as she was doing55 + in most cases and I wanted to keep the rope tight as she didnt remember to slow down carefully when aproaching Island/halt signs etc.So today I could not go clay shooting and been stuck under the bonnet trying to find out the cause, am now very wet, ***** off , and could need some knowledgable info please, the engine is a Perkins, Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myuserid Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Does it turn over or is it completely dead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy111 Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 What sort of Perkins is it? Can you check that you are getting fuel to the injectors. Have you got a fuel cut-off solenoid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBLATCH Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 is the lift pump working correctly?if it is a hand pump is it holding up the pressure?if not your problem could lie there.if this is ok it could be the high pressure side (diesel pump)which is more likely the cause if it was running ok prior to that.a freind of mine had the same problem a few years ago and on inspection the fitter told him that the pump had failed due to filling up from drums etc containing debris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 No it turns over fast enough, New Battery 3 weeks ago, when my daughter was towing me at 50 I put it in gear(5th) lots of times and floored the pedal thinking it might fire up( she towed me for over 24 miles and if it was going to go it should have. I wonder if there is a fuel shut off sollenoid in the injector pump and think it might be that, Cheers bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBLATCH Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 No it turns over fast enough, New Battery 3 weeks ago, when my daughter was towing me at 50 I put it in gear(5th) lots of times and floored the pedal thinking it might fire up( she towed me for over 24 miles and if it was going to go it should have. I wonder if there is a fuel shut off sollenoid in the injector pump and think it might be that, Cheers bud. i think if the cold start (fuel cut off sollenoid) had gone you would not be able to switch off the engine you would have to stall it.the way to find this out is by removing the sollenoid from the injector (high pressure) pump and remove the little spring inside of it but as i said you will have to stall the engine to stop it running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 is the lift pump working correctly?if it is a hand pump is it holding up the pressure?if not your problem could lie there.if this is ok it could be the high pressure side (diesel pump)which is more likely the cause if it was running ok prior to that.a freind of mine had the same problem a few years ago and on inspection the fitter told him that the pump had failed due to filling up from drums etc containing debris. Funny you should say that, I drove to the gunshop to fetch a Air rifle for a mate, he is skint and gave me a gallon of diesel in a old can prior to starting out it ran perfectly untill I came out of the shop and then would not start again, if it was contaminated wouldnt the inline filter can have stopped it? cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBLATCH Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 is the lift pump working correctly?if it is a hand pump is it holding up the pressure?if not your problem could lie there.if this is ok it could be the high pressure side (diesel pump)which is more likely the cause if it was running ok prior to that.a freind of mine had the same problem a few years ago and on inspection the fitter told him that the pump had failed due to filling up from drums etc containing debris. Funny you should say that, I drove to the gunshop to fetch a Air rifle for a mate, he is skint and gave me a gallon of diesel in a old can prior to starting out it ran perfectly untill I came out of the shop and then would not start again, if it was contaminated wouldnt the inline filter can have stopped it? cheers. depends what it was contaminated with if the can had kerrosene or anything like that prior the chances are the seals will have perrished in the pump due to the different running temperatures between them on the return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wy111 Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Not sure on the Perkin's , but some engines have a wire to the solenoid. Switching on the ignition, sends power to open the solenoid to allow fuel to flow. I would firstly check that you are getting fuel to the injectors or from the injection pump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Is the lift pump in the injector housing? I have checked the fuel is going through the inline filter can after that the fuel line disapears down the back of the block then reapears up the front of the block and goes into the injector housing, It has now gone very dark ouside and is ***** down so I will have to wait untill it stops raining so I can jack it up and get under it Thanks everyone,Ron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBLATCH Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 you have pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Is the lift pump in the injector housing? I have checked the fuel is going through the inline filter can after that the fuel line disapears down the back of the block then reapears up the front of the block and goes into the injector housing, It has now gone very dark ouside and is ***** down so I will have to wait untill it stops raining so I can jack it up and get under it Thanks everyone,Ron. Did you not drop a can of tennants in the tank by accident whilst topping up the tank....or maybe some of the alcohol fumes off your breath damaged the diesel :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 YIPPEE! Thanks everyone especially wy111 and Roblatch for the info,I went out and removed the large Rover sound deadening engine cover to check the fuel cut off solenoid, and first thing I saw was the wire to the solenoid was detached! refitted it and the motor started first crack!!!DOHH, all that standing about yesterday and the terrifiying tow home by my homicidal daughter would have been avoided if I had looked under the cover!! Many thanks again, cheers, Ron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Is the lift pump in the injector housing? I have checked the fuel is going through the inline filter can after that the fuel line disapears down the back of the block then reapears up the front of the block and goes into the injector housing, It has now gone very dark ouside and is ***** down so I will have to wait untill it stops raining so I can jack it up and get under it Thanks everyone,Ron. Did you not drop a can of tennants in the tank by accident whilst topping up the tank....or maybe some of the alcohol fumes off your breath damaged the diesel :o Eerr, Hiya DFB, tell us again how big Sam (Or is It Big Sham) was going to transform The Magpies to their former Glory??? Well He certainly transformed them my mate, unfortunatly not the way YOU SAID HE WOULD!!! Ha Ha B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
death from below Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Is the lift pump in the injector housing? I have checked the fuel is going through the inline filter can after that the fuel line disapears down the back of the block then reapears up the front of the block and goes into the injector housing, It has now gone very dark ouside and is ***** down so I will have to wait untill it stops raining so I can jack it up and get under it Thanks everyone,Ron. Did you not drop a can of tennants in the tank by accident whilst topping up the tank....or maybe some of the alcohol fumes off your breath damaged the diesel :o Eerr, Hiya DFB, tell us again how big Sam (Or is It Big Sham) was going to transform The Magpies to their former Glory??? Well He certainly transformed them my mate, unfortunatly not the way YOU SAID HE WOULD!!! Ha Ha B) Ouch got me there mate........Here's to another season of achieving **** all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff36 Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Slacken off one of the injector fuel pipes (at the injector end), turn engine over, fuel should spray out. If there is no spray then I would say that the fuel solenoid has failed, this is usually a needle valve and can normally be dismantled. By removing the needle you can get the engine running but you will need to stall the engine to get it to stop. Before stripping the solenoid connect a wire from the positive connection on the battery to the positive connection on the solenoide, this will by pass the engine immobiliser, had this happen on a rover 418 td. If you have fuel spray then it could be a heater plug problem, check that you have 12v between the positive connection on the plugs and the engine when the ignition is first turned on. Another common one is a failed negative connection to the engine, check that you have 12v between the positive connection on the battery and a metalic part of the engine. Good Luck Ron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 :o B) DFB, I often thought about your earlier Post when I saw the demise of big SHAM , but I DIDNT LIKE TO REMIND YOU OF IT BUT YOU HAD TO HAVE MY RESPONSE, when I saw your comment about my love affair with Tennants Super. Cheer up my mate and support the Baggies!! dont worry if they run true to form they will soon be dropping like a stone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Slacken off one of the injector fuel pipes (at the injector end), turn engine over, fuel should spray out. If there is no spray then I would say that the fuel solenoid has failed, this is usually a needle valve and can normally be dismantled. By removing the needle you can get the engine running but you will need to stall the engine to get it to stop. Before stripping the solenoid connect a wire from the positive connection on the battery to the positive connection on the solenoide, this will by pass the engine immobiliser, had this happen on a rover 418 td. If you have fuel spray then it could be a heater plug problem, check that you have 12v between the positive connection on the plugs and the engine when the ignition is first turned on. Another common one is a failed negative connection to the engine, check that you have 12v between the positive connection on the battery and a metalic part of the engine. Good Luck Ron. Yes cheers Griff But look earlier at my reply, thanks anyway my mate the old dear is now working OK!, "no not the wife!! the car!!"Thanks Bud . Ron. :o B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustyfox Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Man utd won 6 - 0 against Newcastle. Why did you get rid of sallerdyce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROBLATCH Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 YIPPEE! Thanks everyone especially wy111 and Roblatch for the info,I went out and removed the large Rover sound deadening engine cover to check the fuel cut off solenoid, and first thing I saw was the wire to the solenoid was detached! refitted it and the motor started first crack!!!DOHH, all that standing about yesterday and the terrifiying tow home by my homicidal daughter would have been avoided if I had looked under the cover!! Many thanks again, cheers, Ron. glad you got her going ron :o that will be a releif ! and saved you magabucks. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berettaman1 Posted January 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 Yep,you,wy111,and my mate Griff was all right on the money there Bud thanks againRon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.O.T DAVE Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 CHECK THE ELECTRONIC CUT OFF VALVE ON THE FUEL PUMP SOMETIMES THEY STICK IN GIVE IT A TAP LOOK ON THE REAR OF THE PUMP ITS SMALL AND ROUND AND HAS A WIRE ATTACHED TO IT GOOD LUCK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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