Big_Sam Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/7193075.stm Consulting with gun clubs, farmers? First I have heard of it. When will they learn that it is their fault for abadoning their kids so they can pursue thier own power driver goals, its all the politicions fault. I have always said the Scottish parliment was a mistake and it is now a complete farce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 that seems fair enough to me, a summit involving people who know about firearms and those who want tougher controls is probably the best way of finding a workable solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidibear Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Oh dear, more reforms for the legal while the real cause is ignored, no surprise there then. I do hope the criminals with the illegal guns are reading it, they must be quaking in their stolen boots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I sometimes wonder if we should arm the police more effectively. Give them all pistols and teach them to shoot straight. Yes, you will get a few chavs with BB guns getting shot, but overall I think it would have a great effect and make the crims a bit more wary about waving guns about. I know several people who have more firepower (legal) than the police, makes you wonder? The north hollywood shootout is a good example of underarmed police being made entirely useless: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw94nN5qc_M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 I agree Sam, the only way to tackle an increase in gun crime is to arm more of our police officers to enable them to react quickly to situations involving guns; currently the gun toting criminals know there is no chance the policeman on the beat is going to shoot back! The proposal to look again at reforming of gun laws to tackle an increase in gun crime is farcical posturing by the politicians in an attempt to be seen to do something which will appeal to the masses who don't understand the fundamental problem that gun crime is not, for the vast majority of the time, carried out by those with legally held guns. WGD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 arming the police is useless, read the story properly its not having a go at legally held guns its asking what can be done about illegal guns and air guns. Air guns are responsible for a huge part of the statistics and the answer isn't simple, I've no idea how you stop children taking pot shots at people with air guns they can get their hands on easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 arming the police is useless, read the story properly its not having a go at legally held guns its asking what can be done about illegal guns and air guns. Air guns are responsible for a huge part of the statistics and the answer isn't simple, I've no idea how you stop children taking pot shots at people with air guns they can get their hands on easily You're right in as much as airguns are a big part of the problem, so licence them - at the end of the day they are capable of causing serious personal injury or worse. the risk is that any reform gets all gun users involved, including us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 arming the police is useless, read the story properly its not having a go at legally held guns its asking what can be done about illegal guns and air guns. Air guns are responsible for a huge part of the statistics and the answer isn't simple, I've no idea how you stop children taking pot shots at people with air guns they can get their hands on easily You're right in as much as airguns are a big part of the problem, so licence them - at the end of the day they are capable of causing serious personal injury or worse. the risk is that any reform gets all gun users involved, including us. but licensing them stops most youngsters getting into the easiest form of shooting, plus there are millions out there that would need to be licensed or handed in. So the simple answer isn't the answer IMHO The best answer is to bring back some kind of corporal punishment where the local bobby goes round and gives the offending youngster a good hiding. Once word of that got round the offence rate would drop significantly. But its never going to happen :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGD Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 The best answer is to bring back some kind of corporal punishment where the local bobby goes round and gives the offending youngster a good hiding. Once word of that got round the offence rate would drop significantly. But its never going to happen :unsure: Now you're talking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Australia is a good exmaple of where banning and licensing went wrong for the politicions.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Australia is a good exmaple of where banning and licensing went wrong for the politicions.... in what way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 In the way that after theybanned most semi-automatic firearms and made gunowners hand them in, that the armed crime rated increased dramaticly! I know that america is perhaps not the best example, but I would rather have the means to defend myself than not. At the end of the day, I live in a fairly quiet area (only one chap had his tires slashed last night), so I am fine. But...in glasgow a mate of mine was stabbed 11 times a couple of weeks ago when he was working in a bar. But its illegal to carry knives in public they bleat..... yeah but what use is passing laws when they carry them anyway? If he had had a pistol and a concealed carry permit...then perhaps it would have been a different story. He is currently recovering as he thankfully survived. Not many people know that in Northern Ireland you can get a pistol on FAC, and wait for it, the good reason? Self-defence. Yet the UK government for some reason does let you do that in the rest of the UK.....basta'ds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al4x Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 that e-mail posted about Australian Crime rates increasing was shown to be incorrect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Sigh...its the principle mate, the principle. Banning does nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr smith Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 (edited) that seems fair enough to me, a summit involving people who know about firearms and those who want tougher controls is probably the best way of finding a workable solution. Can't say i'd trust the SNP to be even handed on this. 'The announcement of the summit comes on the day Mr MacAskill is to raise the issue of firearms control during a debate in Holyrood. And ahead of that he will meet Dr Mick North, whose five-year-old daughter Sophie was killed in the Dunblane shooting, and Andrew Morton and Sharon McMillan, who have been campaigning for a ban on the sale of airguns following the death of their two-year-old son Andrew, who was struck in the head by an air pellet. ' So he won't be meeting anybody from the shooting lobby before going into holyrood.Tayside police chief has already told them the police don't need more law they need to inforce current law more. Edited January 17, 2008 by mr smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidibear Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Arming the UK Police would only end up with them doing more paperwork. An armed siege could take weeks to end if they have to fill in a report form for every shot fired :unsure: By making air weapons subject to licensing you would have to find all the air weapons out there in the first place in order to get the owners to apply for a license. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Arming the UK Police would only end up with them doing more paperwork.An armed siege could take weeks to end if they have to fill in a report form for every shot fired :unsure: By making air weapons subject to licensing you would have to find all the air weapons out there in the first place in order to get the owners to apply for a license. It is possible though, they did it for shotiguns in 1968, admittedly there was a lot less of them around than airguns. I reckon there are upwards of half a million in scotland alone. That is alot of paperwork Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidibear Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 The thing about legal gun owners is that we all tend to be honest law abiding citizens. Ask us if we own a gun and would admit it, ask someone who possibly owns one for illegal reasons if they have one and he will obviously say no. So no matter what legislation you bring in to try and stem the use of illegal weapons you have no chance of making it succeed. All that will happen is the law will get tougher for those of us who want to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted January 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 The thing about legal gun owners is that we all tend to be honest law abiding citizens.Ask us if we own a gun and would admit it, ask someone who possibly owns one for illegal reasons if they have one and he will obviously say no. So no matter what legislation you bring in to try and stem the use of illegal weapons you have no chance of making it succeed. All that will happen is the law will get tougher for those of us who want to shoot. So how do we make it tougher for those with illegal guns? Shoot them. Anytime there is an armed robbery etc the police have to wait for an ARU to fill in the forms then arrive. Give them all guns and then they can repel force with force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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