wildoliver Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 I'm getting tired of paying through the nose for cartridges, so looking at putting a palette together (25,000). Favourite choice for me is Gamebore blue diamond, a good quality cartridge, not dirty, reliable never had a misfire off one yet, not punchy yet still quick, and good shot. Probably in either 24 or 28g 8 shot. Now I haven't ordered yet, and if a better deal comes along then I will go with a different make/model of cartridge, but they are a good middle of the road cartridge that I can't afford to shoot anymore at these prices. Anyone interested in going in with me, I'm not going to say minimum order of 5k cartridges for example, but it isn't going to save you enough to be worth while if you only want 250 for example, for your sake I would suggest a minimum order of 1000. I'm based in east yorks, north and west yorks are all pretty close. And I sometimes travel. No prices yet but is anyone genuinely interested? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taz24 Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 (edited) I'm getting tired of paying through the nose for cartridges, so looking at putting a palette together (25,000). Favourite choice for me is Gamebore blue diamond, a good quality cartridge, not dirty, reliable never had a misfire off one yet, not punchy yet still quick, and good shot. Probably in either 24 or 28g 8 shot. Now I haven't ordered yet, and if a better deal comes along then I will go with a different make/model of cartridge, but they are a good middle of the road cartridge that I can't afford to shoot anymore at these prices. Anyone interested in going in with me, I'm not going to say minimum order of 5k cartridges for example, but it isn't going to save you enough to be worth while if you only want 250 for example, for your sake I would suggest a minimum order of 1000. I'm based in east yorks, north and west yorks are all pretty close. And I sometimes travel. No prices yet but is anyone genuinely interested? I'd be intrested in 1000, 2000 if the price was right. Why 8 shot would 6 to 7 be better. Would prefer fiber wad aswell because where I shoot plastic is not allowed. Cheers taz. Edited February 11, 2008 by taz24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildoliver Posted February 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Suppose the shot size is all down to what your shooting, I shoot a lot of dtl and with my gun an 8 patterns how I like, 6 or 7 english doesn't suit me. 7 1/2 is ok. I might be able to get a mixed palette which would be good but I don't think I can. Leave it with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 If you are buying a pallet load, you should be able to mix the loads and shot sizes, wads etc. webebr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildoliver Posted February 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Right just got off the phone: Rough prices at the moment for a mixed palette: Blue diamond £155 olympic trap £130 claybusters £130 Personally I would have thought a bigger saving for ordering 25,000, however it still adds up I suppose. What do you all think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildoliver Posted February 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Right having sat down and worked figures out it really isn't worth messing around with this. Your looking at saving circa 10-15 a thousand over places like just cartridges or agressive dealers, which yes adds up to a 250 saving overall, but you have the agro of moving the cartridges on as I don't need 25k, there isn't room to mark them up to the point it would be worthwhile messing around with, as an example 121 for cheapies on the load, my local clayground sells them for about 140 a tho. Plus there's no paying up front for a big load. They need to be sub £100 for it to be worth a play I think. Plan scrubbed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbertspeak Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 It was a good exercise tho wildoliver. At least now we all know and can be happier with the local or online deals we do. Well done mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Yes, a worthwhile exercise A gunshop told me that there is very little markup on cartridges, they just stock them to get people in the shop and to provide a full service. He likened it to corner shops selling cigarettes, apparently the markup on fags is ****, but it gets people in the shop and they hopefully impulse buy other stuff. For that reason, even if you buy 100,000 cartridges, the discount is not going to be very exciting (apparently). I'm not sure how much of that I believe, but it sounds feasible and would explain why it doesn't pay to buy in bulk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazkb Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 yep chard that's what i got told as well i would have thought 20k shells would have gotten me a good saving but nope I have a feelng cartridge prices need checking by the authorities as i have a feeling they are artificially high just my opinion but lead has fallen 35% recently but no change in cartridge prices, funny init Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 What percentage of cartridge cost does lead make up? Its all very well complaining that the prices change, yet if it only makes up 5% of the total price then the cartridge price wont change. Which means we are getting even more ripped off.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taz24 Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 What percentage of cartridge cost does lead make up? Its all very well complaining that the prices change, yet if it only makes up 5% of the total price then the cartridge price wont change. Which means we are getting even more ripped off.... I was told recently that a 1000 carts had £70 of lead in them. Seemed expensive but hey! what do I know? taz Cheers Wildoliver it was worth a try. taz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Sam Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Lead is $2875/tonne or 2.875/kg which is £1.47/kg Load with 36g, that is £52.92 / 1000 ~Hum, more than I though it would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildoliver Posted February 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Just seems strange the price of carts went up with the price of lead, yet don't seem to be coming down. We now know it isn't the shops taking the p, so is it suppliers? Manufacturers? I suspect suppliers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubbertspeak Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 I think you'll find that it's anticipation of prices going up again. it's not logistically possible to change wholesale or retail prices with every fluctuation in the commodity price - there has to be some stability imposed, otherwise your customers get the hump. If the price of the raw materials continues to fall (which I'm afraid I don't think it will), then prices will eventually come down, but I think only a global recession led by the good ol' US of A will bring that around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 Just seems strange the price of carts went up with the price of lead, yet don't seem to be coming down. We now know it isn't the shops taking the p, so is it suppliers? Manufacturers? I suspect suppliers. I can understand a reduction in lead prices not being immediately reflected in cartridge prices, because if the lead price drops today, cartridges manufactured a month ago were made using expensive lead, so it'll take a while for lower lead prices to filter through to the High Street. However, it doesn't seem to take very long for increases in lead prices to be passed on in the form of more expensive cartridges - strange that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_Rimmer_ Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 I ordered and 25000 off rio and believe me you do save money, anywere between 15 pounds (for the target load e.t.c) and i think 22 for the rio pigeon 36 gram per a thousand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildoliver Posted February 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 I don't think anyone is doubting a saving, and indeed the saving you got is exactly the one I saw, but it isn't enough to be worthwhile for an average shooter to take and handle 25,000 cartridges. Initial outlay, logistics of parting them out, storage, hassle. I'd sooner buy 25-1000 at a time, pay slightly more and have the cost spread out. And I'm not a particularly light user even. 250 a month easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chard Posted February 12, 2008 Report Share Posted February 12, 2008 I don't think anyone is doubting a saving, and indeed the saving you got is exactly the one I saw, but it isn't enough to be worthwhile for an average shooter to take and handle 25,000 cartridges. Initial outlay, logistics of parting them out, storage, hassle. I'd sooner buy 25-1000 at a time, pay slightly more and have the cost spread out. And I'm not a particularly light user even. 250 a month easy. I'd rather spread the cost too, I couldn't afford to lay out for quantities like that. I use about 500 a month, but even so, I don't have £3500 to lob out on cartridges in one hit :o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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