Blackbart Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Just got another cabinet and i am struggling to find somewhere to fit it and keep the wife happy (ie the centre of the living room wall is out apparently!)The only 2 practical places have cavity walls,they are external but seem to be breeze block,cavity,external brick.So would it be ok to fit to these walls and what would be the best way to do it ie fixings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 If the walls are block I would suggest the use of chemical anchors. They are similar to a rawlbolt but do not expand, they use an epoxy resin instead, which sets sold. Any decent builders merchant should stock them. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Just got another cabinet and i am struggling to find somewhere to fit it and keep the wife happy (ie the centre of the living room wall is out apparently!)The only 2 practical places have cavity walls,they are external but seem to be breeze block,cavity,external brick.So would it be ok to fit to these walls and what would be the best way to do it ie fixings Ask your FEO what he will accept, there is no point in doing the job twice. He will advise you what to use, and most importantly, what he will accept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted March 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 If the walls are block I would suggest the use of chemical anchors. They are similar to a rawlbolt but do not expand, they use an epoxy resin instead, which sets sold. Any decent builders merchant should stock them. webber How solid is solid?There is a concrete floor which i can coach bolt the bottom to,but i remember trying this in a previous house and the block just crumbled when i tightened up the wall bolts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradders Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 (edited) I did exactly that for my safe.....used chemical bolts/epoxy resin not the easiest things to fit (fiddly/awkward not difficult) but hell they do set very solid. Four 12mm bolts through the back. Also used two M8's rawl bolts therough the base into a concrete floor. Only place I could get the the epoxy was in Jewsons, B&Q etc dont hold the stock although screwfix had the stuff. Edited March 13, 2008 by Bradders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codling99 Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 imho if it its bolted with 4 good bolts in to concrete floor,wont matter what you screw it to wall with,it wont move much anyways,get some 6 inch raw bolts for the wall,theyll hold in thermalite blocks,but bolt to floor with 3 inch raw bolts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webber Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 I'm an engineer, when I say solid, thats what I mean! With 4 anchors into the wall there should be no need to cut the skirting and bolt to the floor, but if you decide to also bolt to the floor, you could also use chemical anchors for that also. webber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldrick Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 (edited) My FEO is a fairly hefty chap, and takes pleasure in literally trying to yank the cabinet off the (breeze-block) wall. So far he's been defeated by epoxy-bonded bolts. I had a supply of the epoxy mix stored in glass vials, for use when rock climbing. Drill the hole, shove the vial in, tap the bolt in (breaking the vial and creating the bond), and leave it to cure. I don't rely on the strength of the bolts clamping the cabinet to the floor. If the wall fixings are weaker, the cabinet will flex, allowing you to get a wrecking bar behind and start levering the cabinet away. Edited March 13, 2008 by Baldrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbart Posted March 13, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Phoned my mate who works at dewsons and £30 a tube!! does that sound like the right stuff?He says there is 2 tubes,1 with an activator or something which you mix in the hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradders Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Phoned my mate who works at dewsons and £30 a tube!! does that sound like the right stuff?He says there is 2 tubes,1 with an activator or something which you mix in the hole. That sounds about right, I paid about £25 for a tube of the stuff. Basically it comes with a special nozzle which mixes as it squeezes..... Just looked in my garage and the stuff I used was Fischer F-Bond Polyester Resin Cartridge 300ml FIP300SF Art Number 61038 It fits in a standard mastic type gun..... I over drilled the holes about 2mm diameter, squirted the stuff into the holes until they were full then pushed the bolts in, once set I places the cabinet over the bolts then simply put the nuts on and job done......I drilled right through the plaster board rather than cut it away but then my plaster board was stuck on using some kind of fixing mix which sets like concrete anyway. All I had to do was remove the section of teh skirting board to get the safe tight against the wall. You can get other appliactors etc and smaller quantities but I used about 1/4 of the 300ml tube. Fischer have a website and useful PDF download that shows the bits you will need...... Hope this helps......and it really does set rock solid...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FANNYRAT Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Hi mate, I had the same problem. The only place I could fit a cabinet was in the loft into breeze block. I anchored it with four expansion bolts in the wall and two ordinary bolts in the floor boards. Adhesive was not used at all. The copper was more than happy. The fact that it was in the loft was good enough because statistics show that burglers don't go into lofts much. I think its more to do with the discretion of the police officer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob300w Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 (edited) Araldite is epoxy resin, and a lot cheaper than £30 a tube. The problem with using the chemical fixings with glass tubes, is that if you drill though into the cavity, when you push the tube in, it will fall into the cavity! Obvious, maybe, but it has been done. If you are fixing into breeze block, use fixings made for breeze blocks, not normal expansion bolts made for concrete. Edited March 13, 2008 by bob300w Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldspot Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Also dont epoxy studs into both the wall and floor unless you have good clearance holes or it could be a right ******* to move the cabinet in the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me and my lad Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Phoned my mate who works at dewsons and £30 a tube!! does that sound like the right stuff?He says there is 2 tubes,1 with an activator or something which you mix in the hole. think i paid about £12.00 for a tube. if you want some and cant find any cheap by you feel free to give me a shout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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