Land Owners Permission

[scout]

Hi Everyone

I have just gained a new permission, well I think I have. A local land owner has offered me sole shooting rights on a small area of land , about 50 acres. He rents it out to a tenant who has no shooting rights. Do I need to get permission from the tenant ( who incidentally doesn't live on site )? To further confuse things I believe the tenant in turn sub lets some of the fields.

 

Where do you stop asking for permission , is the land owner enough. I know it would be polite to contact the tenant but don't want to give him the opportunity to say no, also I don't want to upset the land owner by thumbing my nose at him and asking the tenant as well, as I believe they have fallen out and the current tenant is soon to be an ex tenant.

 

Any ideas or suggestions?

 

cheers

 

Scout

[ROBLATCH]

i think the landowners permision is adequate as he has not given the shooting rights to the tennant.after all he owns the land and what he says goes.

[pin]

If you have permission from the owner of the shooting rights, that's all you'll need.

 

Out of courtesy it might be nice to let the tenants know, or if they see you there you'll probably end up having to deal with the armed plod :blink:

[bignoel]

land i shoot is sub let but not the shooting rights. land owner has given me permission to shoot on and there is no problem

[monkeyjaimz]

If you have permission from the owner of the shooting rights, that's all you'll need.

 

Out of courtesy it might be nice to let the tenants know, or if they see you there you'll probably end up having to deal with the armed plod

 

what he said. I would definately introduce myself to the tennants aswell.

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thanks all for your thoughts

[cubix]

Ownership of the animals on land is part and parcel of what owning the land is all about - the two can never be split.

 

Owning the beasts on the land gives you the right to harvest them (sporting rights)

 

You can lease that right as a seperate consideration. The existing tennant can complain if :

 

i) they leased the sproting rights as well as property.

ii) they leased the rights exclusively.

 

 

Note that you can lease sporting rights, but even then they may be able to e.g. target shoot, if their lease includes land to big enough do it.

 

The land my house is built on is leasehold, as is most land in the UK. I can sit in my back garden and shoot e.g. an air rifle, even though I dont own the land as its not expressly forbidden in the term of the lease, and so is implied, since for point of the lease is that I enjoy the benefits of ownership for its duration.

 

You may run into problems with them thinking they have the rights to shoot implied in their lease.

 

I any event, all they need to do is complain to the police, on the principle of 'let the courts sort it out and decide who can do what', and in the meantime you are looking at an armed trespass charge, even if it comes to nought.

 

I'd get the owner to notify them of the arrangement, thats their chance to kick off about it, rather than when they see you with a gun.

 

I'm no lawyer - you might want to ask one/the BASC? Word of mouth can be dangerous.

Edited March 28, 2008 by cubix